From eric at trueblade.com Tue Apr 15 13:36:43 2014 From: eric at trueblade.com (Eric V. Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 07:36:43 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Fwd: CPython repository - changeset not merged into default from 3.4? References: <1397557751.91035.YahooMailNeo@web172402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I responded to Vinay, but I haven't heard back. I'm forwarding here in case someone else is impacted. I meant to make this change on the default branch only, but I accidentally made it on 3.4. If someone could revert it for me, I'd appreciate it. I'm away from a computer all day. I'll fix it when I get back. -- Eric. Begin forwarded message: > From: Vinay Sajip > Date: April 15, 2014 at 6:29:11 AM EDT > To: Eric Smith > Subject: CPython repository - changeset not merged into default from 3.4? > Reply-To: Vinay Sajip > > Hi Eric, > > I made some changes in the Python 3.4 branch which I want to merge into default. I noticed that you made some changes in 3.4 in changeset 16efa8d27e4c which don't appear in default - is this intentional? Your changes are lumped in with mine when I try to merge :-( > > Regards, > > Vinay Sajip > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From senthil at uthcode.com Tue Apr 15 16:23:08 2014 From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:23:08 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Fwd: CPython repository - changeset not merged into default from 3.4? In-Reply-To: References: <1397557751.91035.YahooMailNeo@web172402.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Looks like this has been done http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/4c65f8641d89 http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/2d33cbf02522 The graph looks OK to me. http://hg.python.org/cpython/graph On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Eric V. Smith wrote: > I responded to Vinay, but I haven't heard back. I'm forwarding here in > case someone else is impacted. > > I meant to make this change on the default branch only, but I accidentally > made it on 3.4. If someone could revert it for me, I'd appreciate it. I'm > away from a computer all day. I'll fix it when I get back. > > -- > Eric. > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Vinay Sajip > *Date:* April 15, 2014 at 6:29:11 AM EDT > *To:* Eric Smith > *Subject:* *CPython repository - changeset not merged into default from > 3.4?* > *Reply-To:* Vinay Sajip > > Hi Eric, > > I made some changes in the Python 3.4 branch which I want to merge into > default. I noticed that you made some changes in 3.4 in changeset > 16efa8d27e4c which don't appear in default - is this intentional? Your > changes are lumped in with mine when I try to merge :-( > > Regards, > > Vinay Sajip > > > _______________________________________________ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdmurray at bitdance.com Wed Apr 16 02:55:39 2014 From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 20:55:39 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Small change to tracker 'resolution' Message-ID: <20140416005540.0B0CA250D36@webabinitio.net> In a discussion at the sprints today Nick observed that 'invalid' was a resolution that carried a rather negative subtext ("your bug report was invalid", ie: "you made a mistake") , and that Red Hat used 'not a bug', which we all agreed was much more descriptive of the actual resolution. So, I've changed the text associated with the 'invalid' resolution to read 'not a bug' instead. --David From ethan at stoneleaf.us Wed Apr 16 03:45:26 2014 From: ethan at stoneleaf.us (Ethan Furman) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 18:45:26 -0700 Subject: [python-committers] Small change to tracker 'resolution' In-Reply-To: <20140416005540.0B0CA250D36@webabinitio.net> References: <20140416005540.0B0CA250D36@webabinitio.net> Message-ID: <534DE0B6.2010402@stoneleaf.us> On 04/15/2014 05:55 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > > [...] I've changed the text associated with the 'invalid' resolution > to read 'not a bug' [...] Nice. Any chance of changing the 'committed/rejected' text to something else? :) -- ~Ethan~ From senthil at uthcode.com Wed Apr 16 04:37:00 2014 From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 22:37:00 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Small change to tracker 'resolution' In-Reply-To: <534DE0B6.2010402@stoneleaf.us> References: <20140416005540.0B0CA250D36@webabinitio.net> <534DE0B6.2010402@stoneleaf.us> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > Any chance of changing the 'committed/rejected' text to something else? :) > Good that you brought this up. It always feels confusing to me. My suggestion is: Let's have committed for stuff that is committed Not committed for stuff that is not a bug. :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ncoghlan at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 04:48:12 2014 From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 22:48:12 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Small change to tracker 'resolution' In-Reply-To: References: <20140416005540.0B0CA250D36@webabinitio.net> <534DE0B6.2010402@stoneleaf.us> Message-ID: On 15 Apr 2014 22:37, "Senthil Kumaran" wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: >> >> Any chance of changing the 'committed/rejected' text to something else? :) > > > Good that you brought this up. It always feels confusing to me. > > My suggestion is: Let's have committed for stuff that is committed > > Not committed for stuff that is not a bug. Brett & David are working on a more general review of the tracker experience. This was just a quick & easy change to get things started :) Cheers, Nick. > > :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tjreedy at udel.edu Wed Apr 16 05:19:14 2014 From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 23:19:14 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Small change to tracker 'resolution' In-Reply-To: <20140416005540.0B0CA250D36@webabinitio.net> References: <20140416005540.0B0CA250D36@webabinitio.net> Message-ID: <534DF6B2.8030003@udel.edu> On 4/15/2014 8:55 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > In a discussion at the sprints today Nick observed that 'invalid' was a > resolution that carried a rather negative subtext ("your bug report was > invalid", ie: "you made a mistake") , and that Red Hat used 'not a bug', > which we all agreed was much more descriptive of the actual resolution. > > So, I've changed the text associated with the 'invalid' resolution > to read 'not a bug' instead. Thank you. I have usually looked for something else to use ;-). From tjreedy at udel.edu Wed Apr 16 05:21:41 2014 From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 23:21:41 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Small change to tracker 'resolution' In-Reply-To: <534DE0B6.2010402@stoneleaf.us> References: <20140416005540.0B0CA250D36@webabinitio.net> <534DE0B6.2010402@stoneleaf.us> Message-ID: <534DF745.9000206@udel.edu> On 4/15/2014 9:45 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 04/15/2014 05:55 PM, R. David Murray wrote: >> >> [...] I've changed the text associated with the 'invalid' resolution >> to read 'not a bug' [...] > > Nice. > > Any chance of changing the 'committed/rejected' text to something else? :) Like 'finished'? 'completd'? 'done'? or even 'closed'? From rdmurray at bitdance.com Wed Apr 16 16:53:53 2014 From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 10:53:53 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Small change to tracker 'resolution' In-Reply-To: <534DF745.9000206@udel.edu> References: <20140416005540.0B0CA250D36@webabinitio.net> <534DE0B6.2010402@stoneleaf.us> <534DF745.9000206@udel.edu> Message-ID: <20140416145354.5B34A250D3A@webabinitio.net> On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 23:21:41 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 4/15/2014 9:45 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > > On 04/15/2014 05:55 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > >> > >> [...] I've changed the text associated with the 'invalid' resolution > >> to read 'not a bug' [...] > > > > Nice. > > > > Any chance of changing the 'committed/rejected' text to something else? :) > > Like 'finished'? 'completd'? 'done'? or even 'closed'? Yes, dealing with committed/rejected, and indeed the whole stage/status workflow, is on the list to be addressed. It is very redundant to have to set both 'closed' and 'committed/rejected', so one suggestion, that we could implement right away, would be to simply delete that option, and then status gets left at 'commit review' when the bug is closed. (Or if you don't like that you could put it back to unset.) Later I think we may want to merge status and stage, but we'll consider that as a part of a bigger review of the workflow. --David From rdmurray at bitdance.com Wed Apr 16 22:49:16 2014 From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:49:16 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] New mailing list for workflow/workflow infrastructure discussion/tasks Message-ID: <20140416204917.82BE8250D09@webabinitio.net> Apologies for the cross post, but I want to make sure committers who aren't reading python-dev for one reason or another see this: Based on a number of conversations at PyCon, we've created a new mailing list: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/core-workflow The purpose of this list is to facilitate the conversations and coordinate the work that needs to happen to improve our development workflow. Nick's PEP is one piece of this conversation, but there are many other aspects to it as well. Here is the list description: This is a place to discuss and work on improvements to the CPython core development workflow and the infrastructure that supports that workflow. This includes changes to the roundup interface and functionality, rietveld, mercurial, buildbots, and any other infrastructure we may add. It also includes discussing how we use these tools, and most importantly how we use these tools to integrate the community beyond the core developers into the workflow that gets patches committed to the python repository. This means that it also includes discussions of the process of bringing in new contributors, including how we use the core-mentorship list, as well as how we organize ticket triage, and how we make use of external resources such as openhatch. Discussions of documentation and how we organize and maintain the documentation are also appropriate. Anyone who is interested helping with this, or who wants to keep up with the evolution of our thoughts on these topics, are invited to sign up to the mailing list. We will of course check in with python-dev and/or python-committers as appropriate. --David From tjreedy at udel.edu Thu Apr 17 00:02:31 2014 From: tjreedy at udel.edu (Terry Reedy) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 18:02:31 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] New mailing list for workflow/workflow infrastructure discussion/tasks In-Reply-To: <20140416204917.82BE8250D09@webabinitio.net> References: <20140416204917.82BE8250D09@webabinitio.net> Message-ID: <534EFDF7.5050500@udel.edu> On 4/16/2014 4:49 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > Apologies for the cross post, but I want to make sure committers who > aren't reading python-dev for one reason or another see this: > > Based on a number of conversations at PyCon, we've created a new mailing list: > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/core-workflow Will it be a public list, accessible via gmane, or subcription-only? From rdmurray at bitdance.com Thu Apr 17 03:07:40 2014 From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:07:40 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] New mailing list for workflow/workflow infrastructure discussion/tasks In-Reply-To: <534EFDF7.5050500@udel.edu> References: <20140416204917.82BE8250D09@webabinitio.net> <534EFDF7.5050500@udel.edu> Message-ID: <20140417010741.491F2250D09@webabinitio.net> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 18:02:31 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 4/16/2014 4:49 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > > Apologies for the cross post, but I want to make sure committers who > > aren't reading python-dev for one reason or another see this: > > > > Based on a number of conversations at PyCon, we've created a new mailing list: > > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/core-workflow > > Will it be a public list, accessible via gmane, or subcription-only? Public. Ned has already submitted a request to get it added to gmane. --David From ncoghlan at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 08:36:06 2014 From: ncoghlan at gmail.com (Nick Coghlan) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 02:36:06 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] New mailing list for workflow/workflow infrastructure discussion/tasks In-Reply-To: <20140417010741.491F2250D09@webabinitio.net> References: <20140416204917.82BE8250D09@webabinitio.net> <534EFDF7.5050500@udel.edu> <20140417010741.491F2250D09@webabinitio.net> Message-ID: On 16 Apr 2014 21:07, "R. David Murray" wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 18:02:31 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > > On 4/16/2014 4:49 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > > > Apologies for the cross post, but I want to make sure committers who > > > aren't reading python-dev for one reason or another see this: > > > > > > Based on a number of conversations at PyCon, we've created a new mailing list: > > > > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/core-workflow > > > > Will it be a public list, accessible via gmane, or subcription-only? > > Public. Ned has already submitted a request to get it added to gmane. Note that the reason for the new list is that we expect it to be a home for lots of nitty gritty details related to getting the various tools to play nicely together, and expect most folks will find that uninteresting. With a new list, python-dev and python-committers threads can focus on planned large scale user experience changes, leaving minor tweaks and mechanics for the new list. Similarly, the existing infrastructure list can focus more on general hosting and sustainability issues, rather than the specifics of the workflow tools. The other advantage is that at least one of the Mercurial devs is planning to join the new list to help us work out improved Mercurial usage guidelines for both external contributors and core developers. Our current recommendations are still largely based on Mercurial as it existed at the time of the transition from svn, and things have moved on significantly since then. The final thing the new list will hopefully provide is a better way for folks to contribute when they would like to help with core development, but find software lifecycles measured in years and decades unbearably slow, and aren't particularly excited by the idea of working on the documentation. Cheers, Nick. > > --David > _______________________________________________ > python-committers mailing list > python-committers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdmurray at bitdance.com Sat Apr 19 04:31:52 2014 From: rdmurray at bitdance.com (R. David Murray) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 22:31:52 -0400 Subject: [python-committers] Small change to tracker 'resolution' In-Reply-To: <20140416145354.5B34A250D3A@webabinitio.net> References: <20140416005540.0B0CA250D36@webabinitio.net> <534DE0B6.2010402@stoneleaf.us> <534DF745.9000206@udel.edu> <20140416145354.5B34A250D3A@webabinitio.net> Message-ID: <20140419023152.A07FF250D34@webabinitio.net> On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 10:53:53 -0400, "R. David Murray" wrote: > On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 23:21:41 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > > On 4/15/2014 9:45 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > > > On 04/15/2014 05:55 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > > >> > > >> [...] I've changed the text associated with the 'invalid' resolution > > >> to read 'not a bug' [...] > > > > > > Nice. > > > > > > Any chance of changing the 'committed/rejected' text to something else? :) > > > > Like 'finished'? 'completd'? 'done'? or even 'closed'? > > Yes, dealing with committed/rejected, and indeed the whole stage/status > workflow, is on the list to be addressed. As an immediate improvement (pending further work) I've changed the label from 'committed/rejected' to 'resolved'. --David From ethan at stoneleaf.us Sat Apr 19 04:42:39 2014 From: ethan at stoneleaf.us (Ethan Furman) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 19:42:39 -0700 Subject: [python-committers] Small change to tracker 'resolution' In-Reply-To: <20140419023152.A07FF250D34@webabinitio.net> References: <20140416005540.0B0CA250D36@webabinitio.net> <534DE0B6.2010402@stoneleaf.us> <534DF745.9000206@udel.edu> <20140416145354.5B34A250D3A@webabinitio.net> <20140419023152.A07FF250D34@webabinitio.net> Message-ID: <5351E29F.4000001@stoneleaf.us> On 04/18/2014 07:31 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 10:53:53 -0400, "R. David Murray" wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 23:21:41 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: >>> On 4/15/2014 9:45 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: >>>> On 04/15/2014 05:55 PM, R. David Murray wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [...] I've changed the text associated with the 'invalid' resolution >>>>> to read 'not a bug' [...] >>>> >>>> Nice. >>>> >>>> Any chance of changing the 'committed/rejected' text to something else? :) >>> >>> Like 'finished'? 'completd'? 'done'? or even 'closed'? >> >> Yes, dealing with committed/rejected, and indeed the whole stage/status >> workflow, is on the list to be addressed. > > As an immediate improvement (pending further work) I've changed > the label from 'committed/rejected' to 'resolved'. Many thanks! -- ~Ethan~