[python-committers] Making the PSF CoC apply to core developers

[Brett Cannon]

On Fri, 4 Mar 2016 at 14:04 M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:

> Brett,
>
> I don't think that spamming all MLs, Github accounts, etc.
> with CoC notices will help anyone.
>

Which is not what I'm suggesting nor would I want to do unless it's a
stated change in policy so people feel properly notified.


>
> You may not be aware, but all PSF infrastructure is covered by
> the PSF CoC already, and has been for quite a while:
>
> """
>      RESOLVED, that the Python Software Foundation shall manage and curate
> the Foundation's public
> and member-accessible web properties to remove spam, serve the membership,
> and conform to the the
> Python Community Code of Conduct.
>
> Approved 9-0-0 by IRC vote, 3 January, 2014.
> """
>

That's great, but how are people to know this if they don't read the
minutes of the board? Is it considered too much if I link to the minutes in
the devguide so people know about this (
https://www.python.org/psf/records/board/minutes/2014-01-06/#management-of-the-psfs-web-properties
)?


>
> All PSF members have acknowledged this and adding yet another
> notice to each and every point of interaction will not make
> things better.
>

I'm not worried about PSF members, it's all the new folk who are just
"walking off the street" and are looking to contribute.


>
> If there are issues, point people to the CoC. Otherwise, let's
> not get all tangled up in CoC links everywhere :-)
>

Fair enough, but I would like at least one canonical location to link to
that bit of the minutes so that it's somewhere a bit more public. Is a link
in the devguide considered acceptable?

-Brett


>
> We can get the 16 ton weight out when needed...
>
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>
> and optionally even send the tiger.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>
>
> On 04.03.2016 22:31, Brett Cannon wrote:
> > The discussion about the Code of Conduct has sputtered out, so I'm going
> to
> > assume those who care to speak up have at this point. It seems to me that
> > the general agreement is that putting python-dev and bugs.python.org
> under
> > the CoC might not solve any real issues we currently have, but it won't
> > hurt anything either (and both python-committers and python-ideas are
> > already covered). And since the CoC might make some people feel more
> > comfortable in participating, that means going ahead and flipping on the
> > CoC where we reasonably can.
> >
> > So what I will do is try to convince the managers of python-dev to put it
> > under the CoC and get the CoC mentioned in the footer of
> bugs.python.org.
> > I will update the devguide to say that the various mailing lists and
> issue
> > tracker are under the CoC so people are aware, but I won't go as far as I
> > was originally proposing about covering all public, Python-related
> > interactions. Once we move to GitHub we will most likely have a
> > CONTRIBUTING file that links to the devguide and that file will mention
> > that interactions involving the repo are under the CoC (or some other
> > wording that says pull requests fall under the Code of Conduct).
> >
> > On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 at 11:29 Brett Cannon <brett at python.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I noticed that the devguide didn't explicitly mention that core
> developers
> >> were expected to follow the PSF CoC (
> >> https://docs.python.org/devguide/coredev.html and
> >> https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/, respectively). I have opened
> >> http://bugs.python.org/issue26446 to make sure it gets documented.
> >>
> >> Since this is technically a modification of the requirements of getting
> >> commit privileges I wanted to mention it here before I (or anyone else)
> >> made the change.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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