[python-committers] Comments on moving issues to GitHub

Carol Willing willingc at gmail.com
Sat Jun 2 17:55:28 EDT 2018

Would it be possible to get a database(s) download of all of the b.p.o. data (redacting privacy information if needed)?

I would like to work on a proof of concept using the scientific python stack, particularly Pandas, to see if we can do a GitHub/GitLab (pick your favorite) for all new issues and a front end (Flask, Django, Pyramid, etc.) for historical data. This would be much easier to do with access to the underlying data.

> On Jun 2, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Brett Cannon <brett at python.org <mailto:brett at python.org>> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 at 12:47 Mariatta Wijaya <mariatta.wijaya at gmail.com <mailto:mariatta.wijaya at gmail.com>> wrote:
> [SNIP]
> 2. Better support for core developers in the tracker.
> Not sure what you mean by "support"? There are only two maintainers of the bug tracker, they both are also Python core developers: Brett and Ezio. My personal opinion is: they're more valuable elsewhere instead of supporting the bug tracker. At its current state, the bug tracker is not ready to take up new contributors, and it will not be easy effort to onboard new bpo maintainers.
> I actually wouldn't list me as a maintainer of b.p.o. I only have passing knowledge of the code due to reviewing Ezio's changes to support the CLA bot. It used to be RDM, Ezio, and Maciej, then DRM got busy, and then Maciej got busy with helping move our hosting over to OpenShift and off of our previously free hosting provider who sold their business (I also think Maciej is also busy with other things). I don't know what Ezio's availability currently sits at, but I have not heard from him recently.
> If you look at https://hg.python.org/tracker/roundup/shortlog/bugs.python.org <https://hg.python.org/tracker/roundup/shortlog/bugs.python.org> there has not been an update to the repo's code in 8 months but there have been reported issues as recently as yesterday: http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/ <http://psf.upfronthosting.co.za/roundup/meta/> .
> IOW I consider b.p.o unmaintained ATM. Mark Mangoba and the PSF infrastructure team can re-start the instance if it falls over, but no one is working on e.g. fixing log-in issues or any of the various UX issues we are all painfully aware that b.p.o has.
> As I said at the language summit, if people want to keep b.p.o around then we need to get some volunteers to staff it. I personally would like to see three people step forward and say they will work to improve b.p.o to make sure it functions as expected now and plan to improve it long-term. But I personally would settle for just two people actively working towards making b.p.o a tenable solution (the three person goal is just from experience of always wanting at least one backup even if someone goes on vacation or does an OSS detox).
> But as of right now we have zero people supporting b.p.o (and GitHub has one with Mariatta which puts GH ahead in my book). Because of this, in my opinion this discussion shouldn't include b.p.o as an option until those volunteers materialize. We can argue GitHub versus GitLab versus some other issue tracker (open or closed source, self-hosted or service-hosted I personally don't care; heck write it from scratch like Warehouse if that's what it takes), but unless we get some people to step forward to help with b.p.o then I personally consider it our temporary solution until we figure out where we're going next with b.p.o and not a viable option in this discussion.
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