# [Python-Dev] re: list comprehension / pop quiz

esr@thyrsus.com esr@thyrsus.com
Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:49:45 -0400

```Guido van Rossum <guido@beopen.com>:
> What do you think the following code would print?
>
>     for i in (10, 20, 30); j in (1, 2, 3):
>         print i+j

I think thre confusion over ambiguous syntax is telling us that what we
need here is to bite the bullet and add a keyword to the language so
there is a clear distinction from existing concepts.

I make so bold as to sugest this:

for i in (10, 20, 30) with j in (1, 2, 3):
print i+j

However, I have to say that having meditated on this design problem at some
length I now think proliferating new control structures is the wrong answer.
Instead, I propose that we look for ways to make smarter data structures
drive control.

Concretely. this approach would make `with' a data contructor, throw
out the parallel-loop syntax, and write the following:

>>> [2] with [3]
[(2, 3)]

>>> (10, 20, 30) with (1, 2, 3)
((10, 1), (20, 2), (30, 3))

>>> for (i, j) in (10, 20, 30) with (1, 2, 3): print i + j

This doesn't instantly give us a way to interpret

for (i, j) in (10, 20, 30, 40) with (1, 2): print i + j

But suppose that the semantics of `with' were that it joins parallel
arguments as far as it can and stops whenever it runs out of elements
in any one argument.  Then,

>>> (10, 20, 30, 40) with (1, 2)
((10, 1), (20,2))

Problem solved.

Now let's make life easier.  The `with' keyword can actually become an
n-adic intrinsic function, analogous to `range'.  Now we write

>>> for (i, j) in with((10, 20, 30, 40), (1, 2)): print i + j

Presto! All need for parallel loops has now disappeared.  If anyone
doubts this, I will cheerfully produce source code for with().
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