[Python-Dev] Web Programming Improvements

Guido van Rossum guido@python.org
Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:41:53 -0500

> >Regarding file uploads: you *seem* to be proposing that uploaded files
> >should be loaded into memory only.  I've got complaints from people
> Mrr...?  The only file upload reference simply says you shouldn't have
> to subclass in order to use them; it's not implying files have to be
> read into memory.  (We have to deal with whackingly large mask layout
> files at work, after all.)

Mrrauw...?  Do you really have to subclass?  I thought it just says
that you can subclass if you're not happy with the given make_file()

> >Regarding templating -- what's wrong with HTMLgen as a starting point?
> >Just that it's too big?  I've never used it myself, but I've always
> >been impressed with its appearance. :-)
> I, personally, am against including templating, but it was suggested.
> I'm against it because there are too many solutions with different
> tradeoffs.  Do you want a simple regex search-and-replace,
> constructing HTML pages as Python objects, or a full-blown
> minilanguage?  HTML/XML-compatibile syntax, ASP-compatible syntax,
> Python-compatible syntax?  Much better just to move templating into
> the "Rejected" category and give the above rationale.

Sure -- I'm perfectly happy with ad-hoc templating solutions myself
(see my FAQ wizard).  I've also heard Tom Christiansen complain that
Perl is slower to start up than Python for CGI work -- because the
templating classes are so big, and are all loaded at startup!

I do see a use for a helper or helpers to creates tables though --
tables are notoriously tag-intensive and hard to get right.

--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)