> Sheesh, how thin-skinned can people get? John, you're cruisin' for a bruisin', as my mother-in-laws says. :-) You stepped out of line. Be a man and apologize, so we can get on with business. I'd be happy to throw you out of Python-dev for wasting my time. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)