[Python-Dev] OK, time to retire (was: Re: python-dev Summary for
2005-01-16 through 2005-01-31)
bac at OCF.Berkeley.EDU
Wed Mar 2 04:52:06 CET 2005
Steve Holden wrote:
> Michele Simionato wrote [on c.l.py]:
>> Brett Cannon:
> [... python-dev summary ... boilerplate change ...]
>> +1 for this idea. The summary looks much better now :)
>> Keep the good work going,
> Sorry, but i have to disagree. I hope you won't take this reply
> personally, Michele, since it's directed to all c.l.py readers, as well
> as (particularly) at Python users who [unlike you] are mostly take and
> rather less give. Although this is inherently the nature of open source,
> in certain cases this can be taken too far.
> Now, the reason for this specific rant is this: I can tell a cry for
> help when I see one. Brett has done a magnificent job of providing
> python-dev summaries since Andrew decided he'd had enough, and he is to
> be congratulated for it. I managed to offload another bunch of work on
> him (moderation of various troublesome PyCon mailing lists), but at
> least I was able to recompense him by letting him into PyCon for nothing.
> But frankly, I think it's time someone else stood up and said "Brett,
> you've done a magnificent job. Hesitant though I am about replacing you,
> I would like to volunteer for the task, because only when you are free
> from the burden of writing the python-dev summaries will we see what
> else you are capable of". Since I am at best an intermittent reader of
> python-dev I can say this without fear of having to stand up myself.
[I am going to use this to reply to both Steve and Martin]
As Steve mentioned above, he can spot a cry for help when he sees one. I think
the problem is that I am a total sucker when it comes to the Python community
Anyone who has been on the python-dev list for as long as I have been a
participant has most likely seen my almost yearly "thank you" emails I send the
list (which there will probably be another one of once I choose where I am
going to pursue my doctorate; I have acceptances but I am still waiting to here
back from 9 more schools). Usually it is just me gushing to python-dev,
thanking the list for how Python has gotten me where I am today. And that
statement is completely sincere; python-dev has sculpted me into the programmer
that I am (does this mean I can blame python-dev for my own buggy code? =).
And for that I will be eternally grateful to all of the wonderful people I have
gotten to work with and know on this list.
It has also made me want to help people to get involved on python-dev in hopes
others would benefit from python-dev the same way I have. Granted, python-dev
tends not to attract people like I was when I started getting involved (a
philosophy degree and 4 CS courses does not equal a good programmer by default
=), but I have always hoped that through my efforts some other people could
come to enjoy hacking on Python, learn some things, and advance the language.
But I think the big problem is that the Summaries have become a "gift" in the
truest sense of the word. I lost all personal benefit from the Summaries over
a year ago. Initially I learned a ton from all of the reading I was doing and
the research required to understand what the heck people were talking about.
But I have graduated from "The School of Hard Knocks". At this point I do the
Summaries entirely altruistically, giving back what I can to the community in a
way that I know benefits many people which happens to have zero benefit to me now.
The Summaries consume what little free time I do have for Python which is
unfortunate. I have always hoped I would get to the point in my programming
abilities that I would be a larger asset to python-dev as a programmer than as
a writer. I would like to think I have reached that point finally after my
over two and a half years on the list (I can't believe I first posted to the
list on June 17, 2002!).
So, to make sure I don't squander what time I do have for Python waiting for a
possible replacement that might never come, I have decided that I am going to
stop doing the python-dev Summaries after PyCon; the Summary covering the last
half of March 2005 will be it for me. Hopefully I will be more valuable as an
active participant on python-dev again instead of as a passive listener who
just happens to chime in on occasion and squash a simple bug when I am
procrastinating from doing my homework.
This has been a long time coming and I needed a swift kick in the ass to
finally get me to stop. I thank you, Steve, for giving me that kick like the
English gentleman you are. =)
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