[Python-Dev] Draft proposal: Implicit self in Python 3.0

[Samuele Pedroni]

Ian Bicking wrote:
> I just don't want people to feel discouraged when they try to contribute 
> to the Python community and a PEP 13 could help direct people towards 
> areas where their contributions are more likely to be useful. 

but people have a lot of options, probably more effective, ranging
from writing great applications in Python, great libraries ... plus 
implementation work before they are left with the hard option that is 
language design to contribute to the community.

> Also I 
> think it is unfair to use python-list to clarify things that python-dev 
> is not willing to clarify itself.
> 

notice that the intersection is not empty yet.

Also PEP 1 contains

"""
PEP authors are responsible for collecting community feedback on a PEP 
before submitting it for review. A PEP that has not been discussed on 
python-list at python.org and/or python-dev at python.org will not be 
accepted. However, wherever possible, long open-ended discussions on 
public mailing lists should be avoided. Strategies to keep the 
discussions efficient include: setting up a separate SIG mailing list 
for the topic, having the PEP author accept private comments in the 
early design phases, setting up a wiki page, etc. PEP authors should use 
their discretion here.
"""

in the past it often happened that water testing, honing
for a PEP happend on python-list before any long discussion went on
on python-dev. Basically I think that throwing half-cooked ideas at 
python-dev, especially for people with no track-record of language 
design contributions to Python, is just a recipe for frustration.