[Python-Dev] Proposal: from __future__ import unicode_string_literals

["Martin v. Löwis"]

>>  I don't understand. AFAICT, Zope *is* a library, i.e. you have to run
>>  setup.py for lots of packages. Do you not have to run setup.py, for,
>>  say, zope.interface, or zope.psycopgda?
> 
> No, Zope is not a library, it's an application. No, you typically do
> not setup packages, although most (but not all) parts of Zope 3 is
> setup if you run Zope in a buildout configuration. Zope 2 does not.

I was talking about

http://svn.zope.org/zope.psycopgda/trunk/

Is that not the right source?

In any case, using 2to3 for applications is even easier than using it
for libraries, assuming there is an installation procedure for the
application.

>>  > The Plone collective works like this, and it is *not*
>>  > reasonably well managed, so there software quite often doens't get
>>  > released, but people run against trunk.
>>
>>  And that's fine. You still can integrate 2to3 with that transparently.
> 
> I can not see how that would work.

To me "run against trunk" means that I check out some source, then
run "setup.py install" (or buildout, or make). This will invoke
2to3 behind the scenes.

I don't know exactly how plone works, but I could imagine that
it's also possible to run 2to3 when plone "loads" a "component"
(and I'm sure I'm using the wrong words here).

> Maybe it's not apparent to people that hasn't developed in that kind
> of environment, and I'm sorry I'm not able to make this clearer. But
> that's just the way it is.

I guess I could better understand with a very specific example.
You gave Django as a very specific example, and I looked at Django,
and it works just fine with 2to3. "The Plone collective" is not
a specific example, as it doesn't allow me to reproduce your
problems. What is the specific thing I would want to do with it,
and what specific source repository do I need to check out to do
that?

Regards,
Martin