[Python-Dev] [Python-3000] bsddb finished for 2.6/3.0 (and "<class 'BytesWarning'>: str() on a bytes instance")

[Barry Warsaw]

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On Sep 3, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:

> Barry Warsaw wrote:
>> and I know Brett agrees, so that's it.  On IRC, I've just asked  
>> Benjamin
>> to do the honors for 3.0 and Brett will add the deprecations for 2.6.
>
> I just committed the fix for bsddb testsuite in Python 3.0 branch:
> http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/3.0.stable/changes/2687
>
> Can I do anything to revert this decision?. If not, what can I do to  
> be
> reconsidered in 3.1?.

Start raising some pitchforks.  It looks like Raymond will join the  
march :).

Really, this is about what's best for Python and pybsddb.  In this  
article, Guido unambiguously states his opinion:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2008-July/081362.html

"+1. In my recollection maintaining bsddb has been nothing but trouble
right from the start when we were all sitting together at "Zope Corp
North" in a rented office in McLean... We can remove it from 3.0. We
can't really remove it from 2.6, but we can certainly start
end-of-lifing it in 2.6."

Jesus, let me stress that IMO this is not a reflection on your work at  
all.  On the contrary, keeping it alive in 2.x and providing a really  
solid independent package for 3.0 is critical for its continued  
relevance to Python programmers.

I completely agree with Guido that bsddb (not pybsddb) has been a  
headache since forever.  For example, IIRC Sleepycat was notorious for  
changing the API in micro releases, though I don't know if that's  
still the case with the current maintainers.  I personally believe  
that Python and pybsddb are both better off with their own maintenance  
lifecycles so I stand by my decision that pulling it out of 3.0 is the  
right thing to do.  3.1 is far enough away that any decision we make  
in 3.0 can be re-evaluated.

- -Barry

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