[Python-Dev] Python 3.0.1

Barry Warsaw barry at python.org
Fri Jan 30 16:40:42 CET 2009

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On Jan 29, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

> I think that the important question is "can the 3.0.x series be made
> 'viable' in less than the time frame for 3.1?"  If not, I really have
> to think it's DOA from the point of view of folks who consider 3.0.0
> non-viable.  I think that's what Barry and Martin are saying.

Of course, the definition of "viable" is the key thing here.  I'm not  
picking on Raymond, but what is not viable for him will be perfectly  
viable for other people.  We have to be very careful not to view our  
little group of insiders as the sole universe of Python users (3.0 or  

> Guido is saying something different.  AIUI, he's saying that  
> explicitly
> introducing controlled instability into 3.0.x of the form "this is
> what the extremely stable non-buggy inherited-from-3.0 core of 3.1 is
> going to look like" will be a great service to those who consider
> 3.0.0 non-viable.
> The key point is that new features in 3.1 are generally going to be
> considered less reliable than those inherited from 3.0, and thus a
> debugged 3.0, even if the implementations have been unstable, provides
> a way for the very demanding to determine what that set is, and to
> test how it behaves in their applications.

I'm not sure I agree with that last paragraph.  We have a pretty good  
track record of introducing stable new features in dot-x releases, so  
there's no reason to believe that the same won't work for 3.x.

> I think it's worth a try, after consultation with some of the major
> developers who are the ostensible beneficiaries.  But if tried, I
> think it's important to mark 3.0.x as "not yet stable" even if the
> instability is carefully defined and controlled.

It all depends on where that instability lies.  If 3.0 crashed every  
time you raised an exception due to some core design flaw, then yeah,  
we'd have a problem.  The fact that a bundled module doesn't do what  
you want it to does not scream instability to me.  The should-have- 
been-removed features don't either.


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