[Python-Dev] a new setuptools release?

M.-A. Lemburg mal at egenix.com
Wed Oct 7 19:27:55 CEST 2009

Zooko O'Whielacronx wrote:
> +1
> For a large number of people [1, 2, 3], setuptools is already a
> critical part of Python.  Make it official.  Let everyone know that
> future releases of Python will not break setuptools/Distribute, and
> that they can rely on backwards-compatibility with the myriad existing
> packages.  Make the next release of the distutils standard lib module
> be Distribute.
> (Perhaps some people will complain, but they can channel their energy
> into improving the new distutils.)

We've had that discussion in past and a few times. setuptools/Distribute
is not distutils, just an add-on (and there are others as well).

There are good concepts in setuptools, but the implementation is just
not suitable for stdlib integration.

Hopefully, Distribute can fix the hacks, trim down the number of
features to what people really use, add a proper uninstall command and
then we can have the add-to-the-stdlib discussion again.

Having more competition will also help, e.g. ActiveState's PyPM looks
promising (provided they choose to open-source it) and then there's

Things look promising, indeed.

> Regards,
> Zooko
> [1] The majority of professional developers using Python rely on
> setuptools to distribute and to use packages:
>      http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/packaging-survey-first-results/
> [2] setuptools is one of the most downloaded packages on PyPI:
>      http://pypi.python.org/pypi/setuptools
>      http://blog.delaguardia.com.mx/tags/pypi
> [3] about one fifth of Debian users who install python2.5 also install
> python-pkg-resources:
>      http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=python-setuptools
>      http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=python2.5
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