[Python-Dev] Possible optimization for LOAD_FAST ?
fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk
Tue Jan 4 11:49:04 CET 2011
On 04/01/2011 01:02, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:52 AM, David Malcolm<dmalcolm at redhat.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 2011-01-02 at 19:18 -0800, Guido van Rossum wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Alex Gaynor<alex.gaynor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> No, it's singularly impossible to prove that any global load will be any given
>>>> value at compile time. Any optimization based on this premise is wrong.
>>> My proposed way out of this conundrum has been to change the language
>>> semantics slightly so that global names which (a) coincide with a
>>> builtin, and (b) have no explicit assignment to them in the current
>>> module, would be fair game for such optimizations, with the
>>> understanding that the presence of e.g. "len = len" anywhere in the
>>> module (even in dead code!) would be sufficient to disable the
>>> But barring someone interested in implementing something based on this
>>> rule, the proposal has languished for many years.
>> Is there a PEP for this?
> Not that I know of, otherwise I'd have mentioned it. :-)
> It would be useful if someone wrote it up, since the idea comes back
> in one form or another regularly.
>>> FWIW, this is reminiscent of Fortran's rules for "intrinsics" (its
>>> name for builtins), which have a similar optimization behavior (except
>>> there the potential overrides that the compiler doesn't need to take
>>> into account are load-time definitions).
>> I've been attempting another way in:
>> using a new "JUMP_IF_SPECIALIZABLE" opcode. This compares what a value
>> is against a compile-time prediction, branching to an optimized
>> implementation if the guess was correct. I use this to implement
>> function-call inlining within the generated bytecode.
> Yeah, that's what everybody proposes to keep the language semantics
> unchanged. But I claim that an easier solution is to say to hell with
> those semantics, let's change them to make the implementation simpler.
> That's from the Zen of Python: "If the implementation is easy to
> explain, it may be a good idea." I guess few people can seriously
> propose to change Python's semantics, that's why *I* am proposing it.
> :-) Note that the semantics of locals (e.g. UnboundLocalError) were
> also changed specifically to allow a significant optimization -- again
> by me.
I think someone else pointed this out, but replacing builtins externally
to a module is actually common for testing. In particular replacing the
open function, but also other builtins, is often done temporarily to
replace it with a mock. It seems like this optimisation would break
>> Caveat-of-doom: That code's very much a work-in-progress at this stage,
>> though: sometimes it doesn't segfault :) and the way that I track the
>> predicted values is taking some other liberties with semantics (see that
>> URL and the dmalcolm-ast-optimization-branch in SVN).
>> (There's probably at least 2 PEPs in the above idea, though have yet to
>> write my first PEP)
> If you want to write up a PEP for the semantics change I am proposing,
> everything you need is in this thread.
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