[Python-Dev] PEP 414

[Yury Selivanov]

Armin,

I see you've (or somebody) changed:

"""As it stands, Python 3 is currently a bad choice for long-term 
investments, since the ecosystem is not yet properly developed, and 
libraries are still fighting with their API decisions for Python 3."""

to:

"""As it stands, when chosing between 2.7 and Python 3.2, Python 3 
is currently not the best choice for certain long-term investments, 
since the ecosystem is not yet properly developed, and libraries are 
still fighting with their API decisions for Python 3."""

Could you just remove the statement completely?

Again, my understanding of what is the best choice for certain
*long-term* investments is drastically different from yours.
In my opinion, python 3 is much more suitable for anything 
*long-term* than python 2.

I don't think that PEPs are the right place to put such polemic 
and biased statements.  Nobody asked you to express your *personal*
feelings and thoughts about applicability or state of python3 in the
PEP.  There are blogs for that.

Thank you.

-
Yury

On 2012-02-28, at 11:29 AM, Yury Selivanov wrote:

> Hi Armin,
> 
> Could you please remove from the PEP the following statement:
> 
> """As it stands, Python 3 is currently a bad choice for long-term 
> investments, since the ecosystem is not yet properly developed, and 
> libraries are still fighting with their API decisions for Python 3."""
> 
> While it may be as such for you, I think it is incorrect for the rest.
> Moreover, it is harmful for the python 3 adoption, to put such documents
> on python.org.
> 
> The python ecosystem is not just limited to WSGI apps, Django and Flask.
> Yes, we don't have all the packages on pypi support python 3, but many
> of those are portable within 10 minutes to couple of hours of work (and
> I did many of such ports for our internal systems.)  And many of the
> essential packages do exist for python 3, like numpy, zeromq etc.
> 
> I know several sturt-ups, including mine that develop huge commercial
> applications entirely on python 3.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Yury
> 
> On 2012-02-27, at 5:38 PM, Armin Ronacher wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On 2/27/12 10:18 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>> I would like to know if you think that this one change is enough to do 
>>> agile development and testing, etc, or whether, as Chris McDonough 
>>> hopes, this is just the first of a series of proposals you have planned.
>> Indeed I have three other PEPs in the work.  The reintroduction of
>> "except (((ExceptionType),),)", the "<>" comparision operator and the
>> removal of "nonlocal", the latter to make Python 2.x developers feel
>> better about themselves. :-)
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Armin
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