[Python-Dev] BDFL delegation for PEP 426 (PyPI metadata 1.3)
solipsis at pitrou.net
Sun Feb 3 14:09:01 CET 2013
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 23:08:04 +1000
Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net> wrote:
> > On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 12:34:36 +0000
> > Paul Moore <p.f.moore at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> So it's perfectly possible to use wheels right now, without the pip
> >> integration. But the pip developers don't want to integrate the wheel
> >> format just because it exists - they want the assurance that it's an
> >> accepted format supported by PEPs, hence the interest in getting the 3
> >> wheel PEPs (of which the metadata PEP is the first) accepted.
> > But it's an "accepted format" by whom? If we accept the PEP but refuse
> > to integrate support in the stdlib, it doesn't make much sense.
> > I vote for removing the "distutils is frozen" principle. It was already
> > destructive enough when packaging was still alive - bug fixes were
> > actively turned down for the dubious reason that fixing bugs would
> > break compatibility. Its rationale has become completely obsolete now
> > that packaging has failed.
> The rationale for the distutils freeze is "don't break setuptools".
> That rationale still holds.
I'm sure it is perfectly possible to evolve and bugfix distutils
without breaking distribute. What's more, distribute is actually
maintained and can evolve to accomodate the fixes.
As for setuptools (as opposed to distribute), I don't think we should
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