[Python-Dev] IDLE in the stdlib

Eli Bendersky eliben at gmail.com
Thu Mar 21 13:25:57 CET 2013

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Terry Reedy <tjreedy at udel.edu> wrote:

> On 3/20/2013 11:54 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Terry Reedy <tjreedy at udel.edu
>      Ugly is subjective: by what standard and compared to what?
>> Compared to other existing Python IDEs and shells which are layered on
>> top of modern GUI toolkits that are actively developed to keep with
>> modern standards, unlike Tk which is frozen in the 1990s.
> I think being frozen in the late 1990s is better than being frozen in the
> early 1980s, like Command Prompt is. In fact, I think we should 'deprecate'
> the Command Prompt interpreter as the standard interactive interpreter and
> finish polishing and de-glitching IDLE's Python Shell, which runs on top of
> the windowless version of CP with a true GUI. Then we can promote and
> present the latter as the preferred interface, which for many people, it
> already is.

There are two discussions being held in parallel here:

1. Whether IDLE should be developed separately from the core Python
repository (while still being shipped).
2. Whether IDLE is bad in a general sense and should die.

I've stated several times now that it's (1) that I'm interested in. (2) is
too subjective, and frankly I'm not in a good position to argue from an
objective point of view. As Antoine mentioned, "feeling" should not be
dismissed (especially if it resonates from a number of developers). That
said, I'm not going to continue to talk about (2). I really want to
constructively focus on (1).

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