[Python-Dev] PEP 435 - requesting pronouncement

[Guido van Rossum]

I am fine with adding more information about this issue to the PEP. I
am not fine with reopening the issue. I really, really, really have
looked at it from all sides and the current design of the functional
API has my full blessing.

On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 May 2013 07:09:14 -0700
> Eli Bendersky <eliben at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sat, 4 May 2013 15:04:49 -0700
>> > Eli Bendersky <eliben at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Hello pydev,
>> > >
>> > > PEP 435 is ready for final review. A lot of the feedback from the last
>> > few
>> > > weeks of discussions has been incorporated.
>> >
>> > I still would like to see Nick's class-based API preferred over the
>> > functional API:
>> >
>> >    class Season(Enum, members='spring summer autumn'):
>> >       pass
>> >
>> > The PEP doesn't even mention it, even though you got significant
>> > pushback on the proposed _getframe() hack for pickling (including
>> > mentions that IronPython and Cython may not support it),
>>
>> Plenty of points were raised against having this members= API.
>
> The main point seems to be "I don't like it". If you consider this a
> strong argument against the concrete issues with the functional API,
> then good for you.
>
>> Guido publicly asked to decide in favor of the
>> functional API, and we added an explicit warning about pickling (which was
>> lifted from the docs of pickle itself).
>
> This is not true. The pickling restrictions which have been raised are
> specifically caused by the functional syntax, something which your
> warning omits.
>
>> If you feel this has to be
>> discussed further, please open a new thread. I don't want another 100
>> bikeshedding emails to go into this one.
>
> This is not bikeshedding since it addresses concrete functional issues.
> (but apparently you would very much like to sweep those issues under
> the carpet in the name of "bikeshedding")
>
> Regards
>
> Antoine.
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