[Python-Dev] Offtopic: OpenID Providers

Donald Stufft donald at stufft.io
Fri Sep 6 20:53:00 CEST 2013

On Sep 6, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Dan Callahan <dcallahan at mozilla.com> wrote:

> On 9/5/13 12:31 PM, Jesus Cea wrote:
>> I have big hopes for Mozilla Persona, looking forward
>> Python infrastructure support :).
> Hi, I'm the project lead on Persona signin, and I spoke at PyCon earlier this year regarding why and how Mozilla is building Persona. If you'd like some more background, that video [0] is worth a look.
> Let's pull this discussion up a level:
> It sounds like many people (Jesus, Donald, Toshio, Barry, Tres, Dirkjan, etc.) are interested in seeing Persona on Python.org properties, and most of the objections coming from a place of "Persona hasn't gone viral, what if this is wasted effort?"
> We can tackle that from two angles:
> 1. Dirkjan and I are willing to do the work to make this happen if someone from python-devel is willing to guide us through the contributor process for these systems.

FWIW I'm a maintainer of PyPI and I do plan on enabling Persona there. Mostly blocked because I want to focus my PyPI efforts on the "next gen" code base instead.

> 2. There's a seamless migration path away from Persona if we fail: fall back to the pre-existing traditional email/password system using the same email addresses that Persona had previously been in charge of verifying.
> So let's do this. The open web deserves better than just Google+, Facebook, or Passwords, and visible support from the Python community would be a huge step toward answering the chicken-and-egg objections raised in this thread.
> At your service,
> -Callahad
> PS: Freeform OpenID has utterly failed as a user-empowering authentication system, and the protocol itself is rapidly being supplanted by vendor-specific OAuth[1] systems. If we want to ensure that "you *can* (not *must*) use free and open services to access our resources," then we must provide an option to use something akin to Persona.
> [0]: http://pyvideo.org/video/1764
> [1]: "Google's OpenID service is being replaced by Login with OAuth 2.0." https://developers.google.com/accounts/docs/GettingStarted
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