[Python-Dev] Revert #12085 fix for __del__ attribute error message

MRAB python at mrabarnett.plus.com
Thu Sep 26 02:17:14 CEST 2013


On 26/09/2013 00:05, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> [ I've replied to two messages here: Georg's and Glenn's (supporting MRAB's).
>    - Cameron
> ]
>
> On 25Sep2013 08:22, Georg Brandl <g.brandl at gmx.net> wrote:
> | Am 24.09.2013 00:11, schrieb Greg Ewing:
> | > How about something like "Uncaught exception in __del__
> | > method ignored"? It explains fairly clearly what has
> | > happened, and also indicates what do do about it --
> | > catch it in the __del__ method.
> |
> | "Exception in __del__ caught and not propagated:"
> | Georg
>
>
> On 24Sep2013 09:33, Glenn Linderman <v+python at g.nevcal.com> wrote:
> | [MRAB]:
> | >> Why not just say something like "Cannot propagate exception..."; it's
> | >> simpler than "Unpropagatable exception...". [...]
> |
> | First one I've heard that accurately and unambiguously and briefly
> | describes the issue.
> | +1
>
> I'm strongly in favour of Georg's one ("Exception in __del__ caught and not propagated").
>
> Why?
>
> It says simply and clearly what has happened.
> It denotes the relevant context (__del__) in which it happened.
> The reader can then decide to find out why that decision may have been made.
>
> Why not MRAB's? ("Cannot propagate exception...")
>
> While better than "Unpropagatable exception" and "unraisable" and
> "unreraisable", it has the same flaw that I think underlies Antoine's
> concerns: it suggests the reason there's an error printed instead
> of further propagation is a _property of the exception_.
> It doesn't say it outright, but as an outsider that is definitely
> what I would at first infer.
>
> So: a small +0.1 for "Cannot propagate exception..."
>
> And: a big +2 for "Exception in __del__ caught and not propagated:".
>
Well, my suggestion was more about eliminating the adjective+noun form; 
it seemed it just wasn't
possible to cram the desired meaning into a single word, so it was 
better not to try!



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