[Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement?

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Paul Moore writes:

 > I can't speak for Linux distros or OSX users, but for Windows I do
 > believe that this is a significant improvement,

Nobody doubts this.

 > and worth the (IMO, negligible) risk involved in adding this to a
 > maintenance release.

Doesn't that argument apply equally well to any new feature?  The
proponents of such changes always characterize them as "worth the
(IMO, negligible) risk involved".  I am sure that the proponents of
any such feature are equally sincere about that!

Also, I think that proponents of backporting this PEP are missing
something important.  Specifically, why are we encouraging the use of
Python 2.7 for "new users"?  Shouldn't we use this as an opportunity
to say, "Move to Python 3.4 and forget the 'agony of installing pip'
issue forever?"