[Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement?

Barry Warsaw barry at python.org
Sat Sep 28 16:38:48 CEST 2013

On Sep 28, 2013, at 12:48 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

>*shrug*  I just think the risks are higher than acknowledged (just
>because you have so far failed to imagine a problem doesn't mean it
>won't appear), and that the meta effect that "Even Guido admits that
>Python 3 isn't ready for prime time" is perverse.  We know, even those
>who have written blanket statements to that effect in this thread,
>that that is false unless conditioned on specific applications.
>I understand that the real motivation is that it's churlish to not
>relieve the pain of users who have decided for their own good reasons
>to use Python 2.7, and perverse to ignore the needs of the teachers
>who are going to educate the users about Python 3 at the time they
>consider appropriate.  But the meta-message *received* by the public
>is not going to accurately reflect that motivation, and is not going
>to be helpful in encouraging those who already *can* move to Python 3
>to do so.

FWIW, +1

>Anyway, clearly this exception is heading for approval, and the PEP
>with it.  I recommend that the "Feature addition in maintenance
>releases" section be amended to read in its entirety:
>    The additions of the new module to the standard library in the
>    maintenance releases of 2.7 and 3.3 were granted explicit
>    exceptions to the rule "no new features in maintenance releases."
>    These exceptions were explicitly discussed, and approved in
>    consultation with the affected release managers, separately from
>    the rest of the PEP.  They do not represent a change in policy,
>    and must not be considered a precedent for other such exceptions.

Call this the "Bush v. Gore" amendment.

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