[Python-Dev] PEP 453 (pip bootstrapping) ready for pronouncement?

Nick Coghlan ncoghlan at gmail.com
Mon Sep 30 13:32:13 CEST 2013

On 30 Sep 2013 19:03, Martin v. Löwis <martin at v.loewis.de> wrote:
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> Am 25.09.13 23:33, schrieb Donald Stufft:
> > An early draft of this did not have the backport to 2.7 and when I
> > showed *that* version around to get feedback people were less
> > enthusiastic about it and generally viewed it as "nice but
> > worthless to me for N years".
> I'm leaning towards the people that oppose addition of this feature to
> older Python releases. In particular, the objection that the new PEP is
> worthless for a long time to come, is in itself not really relevant:
> It is always the case that features proposed by a PEP reach users only
> years after they have been implemented.
> > What users want isn't rationale in and of itself but I think it's
> > an important data point, especially given how long 2.7.LASTEVER is
> > going to be relevant to end users.
> Well, I really really don't like this idea. 2.7 should not get new
> features; users who want new features need to switch to 3.x.

Before you make your final decision on this front, I'd like to record in
the PEP my fallback plan for if the backporting portion of the PEP is
rejected while the rest is accepted. After all, you should know what it is
you're actually choosing between.

I just need to run the details of the fallback proposal past Donald before
publishing it under both our names.


> Regards,
> Martin
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