[Python-Dev] Changing Clinic's output

Larry Hastings larry at hastings.org
Tue Jan 14 23:24:44 CET 2014

On 01/14/2014 01:38 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote:
> On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:12 PM, Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net 
> <mailto:solipsis at pitrou.net>> wrote:
>> I'm +1 on the sidefile approach. +0 on the various buffer approaches.
>> -0.5 on the current "sprinkled everywhere" approach.
> I concur with Antoine except that I'm a full -1 on commingling
> generated code with hand edited code.   Sprinked everywhere
> interferes with my ability to grok the code.  It interferes with
> code navigation.  And it creates a greater risk of accidentally
> editing the generated code.
> FWIW, I think everyone should place a lot of weight on
> Serhiy's comments and suggestions.  His reasoning is
> clear and compelling.  And the thoughts are all soundly
> based on extensive experience with the clinic's effect on
> the C source code.

For the record I don't much care which of these Clinic does.  My hope is 
just that the Python core dev community accepts Argument Clinic.  If it 
forms a consensus around changing Clinic's output I'd be happy to oblige.

But there's one important caveat to the above.  As I recall, Guido has 
stated that he hates storing generated code in separate files. He has 
yet to rescind or weaken that pronouncement.  Until such time as he 
does, the "side file" approach is off the table.  I implemented it in 
the prototype purely for the purpose of fostering debate, so the "side 
file" proponents can try to convince him that it's necessary or that 
it's not so bad.  But it's not going in without Guido's approval.  As 
you yourself say--"Python is Guido's language, he just lets us use it."

I'm not the person you have to convince,

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