[Python-Dev] PEP 493: Redistributor guidance for Python 2.7 HTTPS

[Mark Lawrence]

On 07/07/2015 03:10, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Cross-posted to redirect discussion.  Replies directed to Python-Ideas.
>
> Erik Bray writes on Python-Dev:
>   > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net> wrote:
>   > > On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:22:46 +1000, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:
>   > >>
>   > >> The main change from the last version discussed on python-ideas
>   > >
>   > > Was it discussed there? That list has become totally useless, I've
>   > > stopped following it.
>   >
>   > Considering that a useful discussion of a useful PEP occurred there
>   > (not to mention other occasionally useful discussions) I'd say that
>   > such a value judgment is not only unnecessary but also inaccurate.
>
> As you point out, the words "totally" and "useless" were unnecessary
> and inaccurate respectively.
>
> However, the gist of his post, that the S/N on Python-Ideas has become
> substantially lower in the last few months, seems accurate to me.  At
> least two recent threads could have been continued on Python-List,
> where they would have benefited a lot more users, and they didn't seem
> profitable on Python-Ideas since it was quite evident that Those Who
> Know About Python were adamantly opposed to the idea as discussed in
> the thread, while the proponent kept pushing on that brick wall rather
> than seeking a way around it.
>
> I myself continue to follow Python-Ideas, Nick and other committers
> are posting here daily, and even Guido manages to pop up occasionally,
> so that may be no problem (or even a good thing if it results in
> educating and inviting new committers in the long run).  But I think
> it's worth considering whether it we should cultivate a bit more
> discipline here.
>
> Again, discussion on Python-Ideas, please.
>

 From https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas

<quote>
This list is to contain discussion of speculative language ideas for 
Python for possible inclusion into the language. If an idea gains 
traction it can then be discussed and honed to the point of becoming a 
solid proposal to put to python-dev as appropriate.
</quote>

Relative to the above I believe that far too many proposals are for 
trivial ideas, mainly targetted at the stdlib, that would be better 
suited to the main python list.

As for gaining traction, it's often the complete opposite, flogging a 
dead horse is an understatement for some threads.  Gently putting the OP 
down with a firm but polite "it ain't gonna happen" would save a lot of 
time all around.

Just my £0.02p worth.

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence