[Python-Dev] How far to go with user-friendliness

Mark Lawrence breamoreboy at yahoo.co.uk
Sun Jul 19 23:16:41 CEST 2015

On 19/07/2015 22:06, Brett Cannon wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 8:58 AM Ethan Furman <ethan at stoneleaf.us
> <mailto:ethan at stoneleaf.us>> wrote:
>     On 07/19/2015 02:22 AM, s.krah wrote:
>      > ---- Ein Sa, 18 Jul 2015 15:35:05 +0000 *Stephen J. Turnbull hat
>     geschrieben ----
>      >> s.krah writes:
>      >>> Sorry, that amounts to twisting my words.
>      >>
>      >> Let's not play the dozens here.  That just extends the thread to
>     no point.
>      >
>      > Indeed.  I'll just filter you from now on.
>     You may as well filter me too, then, because you are acting like an
>     ass and I'm saying so.
> Is the name calling really necessary? Couldn't you have just as easily
> said that you disapproved of Stephen K's attitude without calling him an
> ass? Same goes for Stephen K's comment where he could have stated he was
> simply going to ignore Stephen T and be less snippy about it. There are
> ways to get the point across just as strongly without resorting to this
> sort of stuff.
> This whole thread has shown two problems we have on this list. One is
> the occasional name calling and bad attitude that we let slide in the
> name of blowing off steam or something. We are all adults here and can
> get the point across that we disapprove of something without resorting
> to playground antics. Plus emails can be delayed until cooler heads
> prevail. It's this kind of thing that leads to the need of a CoC for
> this list and contributing in general so that people can feel okay
> saying they thought a comment was out of line without retaliation for it.
> The other problem is letting threads drag on needlessly. The longer a
> thread drags on, the greater the chance someone is going to say
> something they regret. It can also lead to some people like Antoine
> feeling like their time is being wasted and become frustrated. I think
> in this instance debate should have been cut sooner when no clear
> consensus was being reached to force a reversal of the patch and then
> have someone say politely that a core dev who is the listed expert on a
> module made a call and if someone disliked it they could produce a patch
> and propose it on the issue tracker to see if they could change
> someone's mind (I believe both Nick and Ethan have made the same point).
> Our niceness can be to a fault when no one is willing to step up and
> simply say "this thread is in a stalemate and nothing new is being
> added, please move it to the issue tracker if you wish to discuss
> further where you can propose a patch" and we just be good about telling
> people to move the discussion to the issue tracker if they keep replying.
> There is absolutely no reason we can't keep discussions cordial,
> friendly, and on-point on this list and prevent this sort of debacle
> from occurring again.


My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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