[Python-Dev] OpenIndiana and Solaris support

[Guido van Rossum]

My guess is that Oracle owns the brand "Solaris" and its awful lawyers
have done this. I don't think it's worth our time to support either
Solaris or its descendants unless Oracle pays for it. It's too bad for
the open source participants in OpenIndiana but realistically we just
can't afford the distraction.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Stewart, David C
<david.c.stewart at intel.com> wrote:
> Illumos, OpenIndiana et al are open source forks of Solaris.
> Back before the acquisition by Oracle, Sun open sourced the Solaris OS, called it OpenSolaris and encouraged projects to use it as an OS for x86 and other architectures. But after the acquisition, the OpenSolaris project seemed to end (I don’t know specifics) but several organizations carried on with distributions / forks of OpenSolaris.
>
> On 9/23/16, 10:49 AM, "Python-Dev on behalf of Guido van Rossum" <python-dev-bounces+david.c.stewart=intel.com at python.org on behalf of guido at python.org> wrote:
>
>     What on earth is OpenIndiana? Its website is a mystery of buzzwords
>     and PR vagueness:
>
>     "openindiana
>     Community-driven Illumos Distribution"
>
>     "What is illumos ?
>
>     From the illumos developer’s guide: “illumos is a consolidation of
>     software that forms the core of an Operating System. It includes the
>     kernel, device drivers, core system libraries, and utilities. It is
>     the home of many technologies include ZFS, DTrace, Zones, ctf, [...]"
>
>     "The “Hipster” branch
>
>     Hipster is a codename for rapidly moving development branch of
>     OpenIndiana and users might experience occasional breakages or
>     problems. Hipster is using rolling-release model and only publishes
>     installation ISOs once in a while. Every ISO release will be announced
>     via mailing list and ..."
>
>
>     That didn't exactly answer my questions. Clearly they don't care about
>     anyone who isn't already a user of openindiana or illumos. So I
>     propose that we shouldn't care about them either.
>
>     On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 1:33 AM, Victor Stinner
>     <victor.stinner at gmail.com> wrote:
>     > Hi,
>     >
>     > My question is simple: do we officially support Solaris and/or OpenIndiana?
>     >
>     > Jesus Cea runs an OpenIndiana buildbot slave:
>     > http://buildbot.python.org/all/buildslaves/cea-indiana-x86
>     > "Open Indiana 32 bits"
>     >
>     > The platform module of Python says "Solaris-2.11", I don't know the
>     > exact OpenIndiana version.
>     >
>     > A lot of unit tests fail on this buildbot with MemoryError. I guess
>     > that it's related to Solaris which doesn't allow overcommit
>     > (allocating more memory than available memory on the system), or more
>     > simply because the slave has not enough memory.
>     >
>     > There is now an issue which seems specific to OpenIndiana:
>     > http://bugs.python.org/issue27847
>     >
>     > It might impact Solaris as well, but the Solaris buildbot is offline
>     > since "684 builds".
>     >
>     > Five years ago, I reported a bug because the curses module of Python 3
>     > doesn't build on Solaris nor OpenIndiana anymore. It seems like the
>     > bug was not fixed, and the issue is still open:
>     > http://bugs.python.org/issue13552
>     >
>     > So my question is if we officially support Solaris and/or OpenIndiana.
>     > If yes, how can we fix issues when we only have buildbot slave which
>     > has memory errors, and no SSH access to this server?
>     >
>     > Solaris doesn't seem to be officially supported in Python, so I
>     > suggest to drop the OpenIndiana buildbot (which is failing since at
>     > least 2 years) and close all Solaris issues as "WONTFIX".
>     >
>     > Victor
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