[Python-Dev] Guarantee ordered dict literals in v3.7?

Nathaniel Smith njs at pobox.com
Tue Nov 7 15:05:50 EST 2017

On Nov 7, 2017 12:02 PM, "Barry Warsaw" <barry at python.org> wrote:

On Nov 7, 2017, at 09:39, Paul Sokolovsky <pmiscml at gmail.com> wrote:

> So, the problem is that there's no "Python language spec”.

There is a language specification: https://docs.python.org/3/refe

But there are still corners that are undocumented, or topics that are
deliberately left as implementation details.

Also, specs don't mean that much unless there are multiple implementations
in widespread use. In JS the spec matters because it describes the common
subset of the language you can expect to see across browsers, and lets the
browser vendors coordinate on future changes. Since users actually target
and test against multiple implementations, this is useful. In python,
CPython's dominance means that most libraries are written against CPython's
behavior instead of the spec, and alternative implementations generally
don't care about the spec, they care about whether they can run the code
their users want to run. So PyPy has found that for their purposes, the
python spec includes all kinds of obscure internal implementation details
like CPython's static type/heap type distinction, the exact tricks CPython
uses to optimize local variable access, the CPython C API, etc. The Pyston
devs found that for their purposes, refcounting actually was a mandatory
part of the python language. Jython, MicroPython, etc make a different set
of compatibility tradeoffs again.

I'm not saying the spec is useless, but it's not magic either. It only
matters to the extent that it solves some problem for people.

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