[Python-Dev] What's the status of PEP 505: None-aware operators?

Mark Haase mehaase at gmail.com
Tue Nov 28 16:15:08 EST 2017

Hi Lukasz, I don’t have plans on editing or promoting the PEP any further, unless there is renewed interest or somebody proposes a more Pythonic syntax. 

Mark E. Haase

> On Nov 28, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Raymond Hettinger <raymond.hettinger at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I also cc python-dev to see if anybody here is strongly in favor or against this inclusion.
> Put me down for a strong -1.   The proposal would occasionally save a few keystokes but comes at the expense of giving Python a more Perlish look and a more arcane feel.   
> One of the things I like about Python is that I can walk non-programmers through the code and explain what it does.  The examples in PEP 505 look like a step in the wrong direction.  They don't "look like Python" and make me feel like I have to decrypt the code to figure-out what it does.
>    timeout ?? local_timeout ?? global_timeout
>    'foo' in (None ?? ['foo', 'bar'])
>    requested_quantity ?? default_quantity * price
>    name?.strip()[4:].upper()
>    user?.first_name.upper()
> Raymond
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