[Python-Dev] Timeout for PEP 550 / Execution Context discussion

[Guido van Rossum]

Also, IMO this is all the interface we should need to explain to users
(even framework authors):
https://github.com/gvanrossum/pep550/blob/master/simpler.py

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Yury Selivanov <yselivanov.ml at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The reason I say that is because one of the biggest future-proofing
>> concerns
>> > when it comes to exposing a mapping as the lowest API layer is that it
>> makes
>> > the following code pattern possible:
>> >
>> >     ec = get_execution_context()
>> >     # Change to a different execution context
>> >     ec[key] = new_value
>>
>> I *really* don't want to make ECs behave like 'locals()'.  That will
>> make everything way more complicated.
>>
>
> At least some of the problems with locals() have more to do with the
> legacy of that function than with inherent difficulties. And local
> variables might be optimized by a JIT in a way that context vars never will
> be (or at least if we ever get to that point we will be able to redesign
> the API first).
>
>
>> My way of thinking about this: "get_execution_context()" returns you a
>> shallow copy of the current EC (at least conceptually).  So making any
>> modifications on it won't affect the current environment.  The only
>> way to actually apply the modified EC object to the environment will
>> be its 'run(callable)' method.
>>
>
> I understand that you don't want to throw away the implementation work
> you've already done. But I find that the abstractions you've introduced are
> getting in the way of helping people understand what they can do with
> context variables, and I really want to go back to a model that is *much*
> closer to understanding how instance variables are just self.__dict__.
> (Even though there are possible complications due to __slots__ and
> @property.)
>
> In short, I really don't think there's a need for context variables to be
> faster than instance variables.
>
> --
> --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)
>



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