[Python-Dev] Migrate python-dev to Mailman 3?

[Nick Coghlan]

On 26 October 2017 at 20:19, Antoine Pitrou <antoine at python.org> wrote:

>
> Le 26/10/2017 à 12:15, Victor Stinner a écrit :
> > 2017-10-26 12:01 GMT+02:00 Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net>:
> >> Is it possible to have a
> >> pipermail-style UI as an alternative?
> >
> > I don't know pipermail. Do you have an example?
>
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/ :-)
>
> > The main drawback of Mailman 2 archives is that discussions are
> > splitted between each month. It can be a pain to follow a long
> > discussion done in multiple months. Sadly, I don't know if Mailman 3
> > handles this case better :-D
>
> If I take
> https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/buildbot-status@
> python.org/thread/MZ7QOZM6V7OALPSYSNSIHGGSLXMQHCF2/
> as an example, I don't think it will allow to follow a long discussion
> *at all*.  Can you imagine a 100-message thread displayed that way?
>

If folks want to see MM3 in action with some more active lists, I'd suggest
looking at the Fedora MM3 instance, especially the main dev list:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/

There's a 100 message thread about Firefox 57 here, and it's no harder to
read than a long thread on any other web forum:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/K5HSROMAIMNYSJONB5EIAQKWKYNFYSHK/
(if you switch to the strictly chronological display, it's almost
*identical* to a web forum)

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/WKEB6M7J2WTFJBZYD7AZ4JB6J2O6VEWK/
is an example of a thread that was first posted back in July, but then
updated more recently when the change slipped from F27 into F28.

If you look at the activity for a month, as in
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/2017/10/?count=50,
the archiver will show you a single entry for each thread active in that
month, with a link through to the consolidate archive view.

Pages for individual messages do exist (e.g.
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/HBA3O755BWRZMTDBBOCUHCKC3RREGTII/
), and I'd expect Aurelian to be amenable to accepting a PR at
https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty if anyone was particularly keen to
add pipermail style forward/back buttons to those pages.

Similarly, I'd be surprised if anyone objected to a toggle on the thread
view page that allowed you to opt in to hiding the full message contents by
default (and hence get back to a more pipermail style
"Subject-lines-and-poster-details-only" overview).

Cheers,
Nick.

P.S. MM3 supports a multi-archiver design, so it would presumably also be
possible to write a static-HTML-only pipermail style archiver that ran in
parallel with the interactive web gateway.

-- 
Nick Coghlan   |   ncoghlan at gmail.com   |   Brisbane, Australia
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