[Python-Dev] 2018 Python Language Summit coverage, last part

Antoine Pitrou solipsis at pitrou.net
Thu Jun 21 12:26:17 EDT 2018

Hi Jake,

On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:18:30 -0600
Jake Edge <jake at lwn.net> wrote:
> The starting point is here: https://lwn.net/Articles/754152/  That is
> an overview article with links to the individual articles.  Here are
> the articles since my post on Monday (which is here:
> https://lwn.net/ml/python-dev/20180618112251.5f936617%40gallinule/ )
> PEP 572 and decision-making in Python
> https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/757713/2118c7722d957926/

This is an excellent writeup, thank you.  The discussion seems to have
been constructive, too.

I would just like to approve the following points:

> Part of the problem is that there is no real way to measure the
> effectiveness of new language features. 

Indeed.  But, for a syntax addition such as PEP 572, I think it would be
a good idea to ask their opinion to teaching/education specialists.

As far as I'm concerned, if teachers and/or education specialists were
to say PEP 572 is not a problem, my position would shift from negative
towards neutral.

> Van Rossum wondered if the opposition only got heated up after
> he got involved; people may not have taken it seriously earlier because
> they thought he would not go for it. 

That's very true.  For me, at the start, the assignment operator
proposal was one of those many python-ideas threads about new syntax
that never get any wide approval, so I didn't bother about it.



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