[Python-Dev] Informal educator feedback on PEP 572 (was Re: 2018 Python Language Summit coverage, last part)

[Antoine Pitrou]

On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 00:22:33 +1000
Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 22 June 2018 at 02:26, Antoine Pitrou <solipsis at pitrou.net> wrote:
> > Indeed.  But, for a syntax addition such as PEP 572, I think it would be
> > a good idea to ask their opinion to teaching/education specialists.
> >
> > As far as I'm concerned, if teachers and/or education specialists were
> > to say PEP 572 is not a problem, my position would shift from negative
> > towards neutral.  
> 
> I asked a handful of folks at the Education Summit the next day about it:
> 
> * for the basic notion of allowing expression level name binding using
> the "NAME := EXPR" notation, the reactions ranged from mildly negative
> (I read it as only a "-0" rather than a "-1") to outright positive.

Thank you.  Personally, I'd like to see feedback from
educators/teachers after they take the time to read the PEP and take
some time to think about its consequences.

My main concern is we're introducing a second different way of doing
something which is really fundamental.

> * for the reactions to my description of the currently proposed parent
> local scoping behaviour in comprehensions, I'd use the word
> "horrified", and feel I wasn't overstating the response :) [...]

Hmm... I don't think conflating the assignment expression proposal
with comprehension semantics issues is helping the discussion.

Regards

Antoine.