[Python-Dev] Consolidating channel of record [was: 581 (Using GitHub issues for CPython) is accepted]

Chris Barker - NOAA Federal chris.barker at noaa.gov
Wed May 15 16:32:05 EDT 2019

Frankly, multiple long meandering threads in s single mailing list are
not s very good archive either.

Ideally, the PEP is updated with a summary of the issues discussed as
the discussion unfolds.

(And links to the main discussion threads?)

It founds like that didn’t happen in this case, but it’s not
necessarily too late.

As the community seems to be moving to a wider variety of fora, this
will become all the more critical.


> On May 15, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw at u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
> Stripping the list of addressees, since I'm pretty sure all the
> people who will *make* the decision read Python-Dev regularly, except
> perhaps Carol.
> Paul Moore writes:
>> Thanks for all of these. I appreciate the time you took locating them
>> for me. But I do have to say that I still can't really follow any
>> useful "thread of discussion" - it all seems very fragmented, and it's
>> difficult to see the progress towards consensus. Maybe that's just
>> because I'm too used to mailing lists :-)
> Please, let's not start by privileging any particular type of channel
> in this discussion.  I know what I like, but it's far more important
> to have a single place to refer to past discussion IMO.  It's bad
> enough with python-ideas and python-dev.
> Maybe this fragmentation is OK in the long run, but at least while the
> Steering Council is shaking down (say, until release of 3.9?), the
> Council should consider anointing two archived "channels of record",
> one for private deliberations of the Council itself (for the sake of
> future members), and one for PEP discussions.
> Of course if the SC chooses Discourse for the PEP channel, people
> *will* discuss PEPs on Python-Dev and IRL.  The point is "no fair
> pointing people to *other* channels for reference".  If you want to
> make a public argument, make it in the proper place.  Everything else
> is effectively private.  If you want to refer to that in the public
> discussion, read it into the public record.
> The stricture for the Council deliberation channel is different, since
> I expect the archives would be private to Council members: if you came
> into this discussion in the middle, what conversations would you want
> to be able to review?
> While I'm here, is there a place where general Pythonistas can bring
> matters to the attention of the Council?
> Steve
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