[Python-ideas] PEP: Shorthand Symbol for "self"

Andrew Akira Toulouse andrew at atoulou.se
Mon Aug 25 08:45:57 CEST 2008

Then what of the notion that you are not too simple-minded to adapt to a
simple notational convention? Or your conjecture that Python programmers are
too accustomed to 'self.' to see it for the clutter it is. Could I not, by
the same reasoning, say that you are too accustomed to $ to see its
arbitrary and highly overloaded meaning? Could you not become accustomed to
'self.' if you give it a chance? I think you could.


(sorry Russ for the double-email, I forgot to reply-all)

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Russ Paielli <russ.paielli at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Andrew Akira Toulouse <andrew at atoulou.se
> > wrote:
>> I agree with Brett.
>> While it's true that $ is four character shorter than 'self.', it also
>> loses expressiveness by doing so. The point here seems to be that it
>> distinguishes local variables with instance variables. Whereas 'self.'
>> conveys the idea that this is an instance variable clearly, a symbol such as
>> '$' or '@' does not.
> Yes it does. Or, rather, it could if allowed to do so.
> The notion that Python programmers are too simple minded to adapt to a
> simple notational convention seems a bit bizarre to me. Of course it does
> not seem "natural" to you yet, because it is a new idea and you have not had
> a chance to grow accustomed to it. But I think that anyone with half or more
> of a brain could become completely comfortable with the idea within an hour
> or two if they would just give a chance.
> --Russ
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