[Python-ideas] PEP: Shorthand Symbol for "self"
josiah.carlson at gmail.com
Sat Aug 30 07:20:50 CEST 2008
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Russ Paielli <russ.paielli at gmail.com> wrote:
> My editor, Xemacs, also highlights the word "self." I personally find that a
> bit annoying, and perhaps that is part of the reason I don't appreciate the
> word. When I write an algorithm, I don't want to see some artifact
> highlighted, as if it is somehow the most important part of the algorithm. I
> like seeing keywords highlighted, but I don't want to see "self" highlighted
> because it is only a convention. Maybe I'm alone on that.
> As I wrote earlier, I copied one of my larger Python files and replaced each
> occurrence of "self" with "S". That was approximately 350 occurrences. I
> also replaced each occurrence of "cls" with "C", which was another 50 or so
> occurrences. The file size was reduced by 2.8%, many wrapped lines no longer
> need to wrap, and I like the way it looks.
> I understand that people like to have "one true way," but I think Python
> programmers are adaptable enough to handle this one. When you read code, you
> certainly need to read the argument names anyway, so the fact that "S" is
> being used instead of "self" should be obvious. The only minor disadvantage
> I can think of is that searching on a single character can be problematic,
> but if you are using an IDE, that should not be an issue (and I can't
> remember ever searching on "self" anyway).
> One of these days, when I get a chance, I may write an informational PEP
> recommending the use of "S" as an acceptable replacement for "self", and "C"
> as an accptable replacement for "cls". I hope that doesn't blow any fuses.
You can submit anything you want. You know what Guido is going to say
with regards to self -> S and cls -> C as a proposed change to the PEP
8 style guide? Something along the lines of "no". He may even be
What you do in your own code (that you write and maintain) is your own
business. If S/C makes you happy: use it. But don't be surprised
if/when someone starts working on that same code they start asking
(perfectly valid) questions about why you chose to go against the PEP
8 style guide.
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