[Python-ideas] Statements vs Expressions... why?
cliff at develix.com
Tue Sep 16 02:31:28 CEST 2008
On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 11:41 +1200, Greg Ewing wrote:
> Cliff Wells wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 14:11 +1200, Greg Ewing wrote:
> >>Cliff Wells wrote:
> >>>'-'.join (
> >>> for J in I: YIELD ( for j in J: YIELD j )
> > join() takes care of flattening the final yielded iterator.
> But the final iterator is yielding other iterators,
> not strings, unless I misunderstand the semantics you
> have in mind.
I think so. For the simplest case
s = 'abc'
x = for c in s: YIELD c # x = 'a', 'b', 'c'
so for the previous example
I = [ 'spam', 'eggs' ]
for J in I: # J = 'spam' then 'eggs'
YIELD ( # evaluate to an iterable
for j in J: YIELD j # j is 's' then 'p' then ...
so we get '-'.join( 's','p','a','m','e','g','g','s' )
maybe this is clearer as
for J in I:
tmp = for j in J: YIELD j
> > Get into nested listcomps and the
> > readability (or more to the point the comprehensibility) pretty much
> > vaporizes.
> That depends on what you mean by "nested listcomps". I agree
> that nesting one entire listcomp inside another tends to
> look rather confusing:
> [f(a) for a in [g(b) for b in y]]
> But that's not the same thing as having nested *loops*
> within a single listcomp, which I don't think is particularly
> bad at all:
> [f(a, b) for a in x for b in y]
> or if you prefer,
> [f(a, b)
> for a in x
> for b in y]
> > Sure, I think listcomps have a place. I still maintain that they are
> > logically redundant if you have if-expressions (not to mention less
> > flexible)
> Yes, but they're also logically redundant even if you don't
> have statement-expression equivalence, so that's not an argument
> for merging statements and expressions.
Well part of the problem this entire thread has suffered is that there
are several related issues being argued simultaneously. Perhaps if I
were a better presenter this would have gone differently, but in any
case what I was trying to get across is that Python has grown lots of
extensions that could be considered redundant and will grow more unless
what I see as the seed for these desired extensions is addressed (I
believe it to be a desire for better FP support, which merged statements
and expressions would largely address). I selected the ternary
if-operator, generators and listcomps as examples but I may have
overreached a bit.
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