[Python-ideas] A sorted version of **kwargs

Bruce Leban bruce at leapyear.org
Thu Jan 20 20:13:48 CET 2011

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:05 AM, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> > "Nice to have" is not good enough to warrant a slow down of
> > all function calls involving keyword arguments, adding overhead
> > for other Python implementations and possibly causing problems
> > with 3rd party extensions relying on getting a PyDict for the
> > keyword arguments object.
> What he says.
> In addition, I wonder what the semantics would be if the caller passed
> **d where d was an *unordered* dict...
> --
> --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido)
Agree with both. And if we were to make this change, my next thought is that
what I really want is an ordered multi-set, since in some scenarios where I
want ordered parameters I also want repeated parameters. I don't think we
should go there.

Back to the original problem though: if the issue is that creating an
ordered dict is clumsy and perhaps interfering with adoption and usage then
perhaps the notation for ordered dict could be improved. Just as we can now
use {...} for both dicts and sets, perhaps we could add

[ 'b' : 1, 'a' : 2 ]

as a more convenient way of writing

OrderedDict([('b', 1), ('a', 2)])

This is parallel to the way that [1,2] is an ordered container while {1,2}
is unordered.

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