[Python-ideas] Tweaking closures and lexical scoping to include the function being defined

[Yuval Greenfield]

I liked the setattribute decorator. Also, static variables in C are just
another way to do it (as opposed to TOOWTDI). The minor namespacing
improvement isn't worth the unobvious "nonlocal .. as .." syntax in my mind.

Pardon my android top-posting,

--Yuval
On Sep 26, 2011 9:04 AM, "Masklinn" <masklinn at masklinn.net> wrote:
> On 2011-09-26, at 14:26 , Alex Gaynor wrote:
>> Nick Coghlan <ncoghlan at ...> writes:
>>> i = 88
>>>
>>> def f():
>>> nonlocal i from 17
>>> print(i)
>>> i += 1
>>>
>>> def outer():
>>> i = 17
>>> def f():
>>> nonlocal i
>>> print(i)
>>> i += 1
>>> return f
>>>
>>>>>> f = outer()
>>
>> You had me, you really did. Right up until you showed the current
equivalent.
>> This strikes me as a few things.
>>
>> Most importantly, as you noted yourself, a pretty rare case, even in C
static
>> variables are probably the rarest scope of variable. This strikes me as
a) not
>> saving very much code, it's like crappy HFS instead of real sugar ;), and
b)
>> not adding fundamental value, I think both blocks of code are equally
readable.
>> Other examples of syntatic sugar, such as decorators, have code motion
>> properties that let you think about code in the places that makes sense,
and I
>> don't think this has that.
>>
> An other thing which strikes me as weird is that the proposal is basically
the
> creation of private instance attribute on functions. Could you not get the
same
> by actually setting an attribute on the function (this can not be used in
> lambdas in any case)?
>
> def f():
> print(f.i)
> f.i += 1
> f.i = 17
>
> and some of the verbosity (but mostly reverse-reading) could be
sucrosed-away
> with a decorator:
>
> @setattribute(i=17)
> def f():
> print(f.i)
> f.i += 1
>
> because as far as I can tell, if this can make it there is little
justification for
> keeping an explicit `self` (among other things).
>
> This proposal also does not help with the "reverse argument hack" in
lambdas, since
> it's using a statement.
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