[Python-ideas] applying the PSF Code of Conduct to this mailing list

[Haoyi Li]

> This list is not a democracy.  If you (generic you) don't like the
changes that are made, vote with your feet (fingers?) and create your own
mailing list.

I agree with the fact that the list is not a democracy, and technically the
list maintainers can do whatever they want, and I even think this decision
is the right thing to do.

Regardless, I believe that to some extent this list (like many similar
lists) belongs to the community, and that generally a decision like this
should be put out to air before becoming final. Saying "yeah GTFO if you
don't like it" is perfectly valid, but isn't very conducive to building a
friendly, collaborative and welcoming environment.

Even if in the end the decision is the same, I think (some) people will
generally be much happier for the feeling of involvement, and feeling that
their opinion is valued. I support Steven because I believe that we should
discuss issues we disagree with, rather than just immediately removing
ourselves from the community at the slightest disagreement.

It make not make any difference from an optimization/correctness point of
view, but people generally feel happier when they get a heads up and they
can talk about something before it actually happens.

-Haoyi


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy at udel.edu> wrote:

> On 6/5/2013 6:44 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> On 05/06/13 09:31, David Mertz wrote:
>>
>>> My understanding is that Brett and Titus are the list maintainers.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks David, but I misworded the question. Rather than asking *who*, I
>> should have asked why Brett and Titus *alone* are making this decision.
>>
>> Please someone correct me if I am misinformed, but I don't believe that
>> this is a private mailing list "owned" by Brett and Titus, emphasis on
>> the "private" part. As maintainers, they maintain the list on behalf of
>> the community, they are not owners who get to unilaterally set policy
>> for it.
>>
>> But even if I am wrong, and Brett and Titus are owners in the sense that
>> they, and they alone, get to decide what happens with this list, it is
>> hardly open, respectful or considerate to impose this sort of sort of
>> policy change on the list without giving members the opportunity to
>> express their thoughts on the matter first.
>>
>
> I believe the PSF CoC was both ratified by a vote of members and intended
> to apply to all PSF activities, including PSF mailing lists based on
> PSF-paid servers. I understand Brett as saying that he and Titus intend to
> actively enforce it for this list.
>
>
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