[Python-ideas] Non-English names in the turtle module.

Andrew Barnert abarnert at yahoo.com
Fri Sep 4 09:18:52 CEST 2015

First, does this proposal actually come from a non-English teacher, or someone who's talked to them, or is it just a guess that they might find it nice?


On Sep 3, 2015, at 19:45, Steven D'Aprano <steve at pearwood.info> wrote:
> - Beginners aren't going to know to "pip install whatever". Some of us 
> here seem to think that pip is the answer to everything, but if you look 
> on the python-list mailing list, you will see plenty of evidence that 
> people have trouble using pip.

Of course a sizable chunk of those say "my Python didn't come with pip" and the after a bit of exploration you find that they're using Python 2.7.3 or something, so any feature added to Python 3.6 isn't likely to help them anyway.

And that seems like a good argument to add it to PyPI even if it's also added to the stdlib. Sure, for some teachers it'll be easier to just require 3.6 than to require a particular package. But I'm guessing both will be problematic in different cases. For example, if the school is issuing students linux laptops that come with Python 3.4, would explaining apt-get, and getting permission from the IT department for it, is probably harder, not easier, than pip.

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