[Python-ideas] Non-English names in the turtle module.

Steven D'Aprano steve at pearwood.info
Sat Sep 5 17:24:02 CEST 2015

On Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 02:05:05PM -0700, Andrew Barnert wrote:

> I find it really annoying when people pick one sentence out of a post 
> to argue against at length, out of context. while entirely ignoring 
> the actual substance of the post.

Your post was three rather short paragraphs. I ignored the first 
paragraph because it had nothing to do with me, and I don't know the 
answer. I didn't respond to the third paragraph because I thought the 
conclusion (that getting permission to install pip would be easier than 
getting the most up-to-date version of Python installed) was unlikely at 
best, but regardless, you used enough weasel words ("seems like ... I'm 
guessing ... is probably ...") that it would be churlish to argue. Who 
knows? Yes, there could be some teachers who get permission for their 
students to install anything they like with pip but aren't allowed to 
upgrade to the latest version of Python. It's a big world and IT 
departments sometimes appear to choose their policies at random.

I focused on the second paragraph because that was the comment you made 
that I want to respond to, namely that a sizeable chunk of problems with 
pip is that pip isn't installed. To reiterate, I don't believe that is 
the case, based on what I see on the python-list mailing list. Judging 
by the comments in the "packaging" subthread, this may have hit a chord 
with at least some others.

> Are you sincerely arguing that no children out there will have Python 
> 3.5, 3.3, or 2.7, 


> or that for all such student upgrading to 3.6 will 
> be easier and face fewer permissions problems than using pip? 

For "all" of them? Probably not.

> If not, 
> then how does this answer my point that some people will want this on 
> PyPI even if it's in the 3.6 stdlib?

I didn't respond to that point. If you want me to respond, I'll say that 
I consider it unlikely that putting it on PyPI will be of much practical 
utility, given the user-base for turtle, but if people want to do both, 
it's not likely to do much harm either.


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