[Python-ideas] Non-English names in the turtle module.
Steven D'Aprano
steve at pearwood.info
Sat Sep 5 17:24:02 CEST 2015
On Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 02:05:05PM -0700, Andrew Barnert wrote:
> I find it really annoying when people pick one sentence out of a post
> to argue against at length, out of context. while entirely ignoring
> the actual substance of the post.
Your post was three rather short paragraphs. I ignored the first
paragraph because it had nothing to do with me, and I don't know the
answer. I didn't respond to the third paragraph because I thought the
conclusion (that getting permission to install pip would be easier than
getting the most up-to-date version of Python installed) was unlikely at
best, but regardless, you used enough weasel words ("seems like ... I'm
guessing ... is probably ...") that it would be churlish to argue. Who
knows? Yes, there could be some teachers who get permission for their
students to install anything they like with pip but aren't allowed to
upgrade to the latest version of Python. It's a big world and IT
departments sometimes appear to choose their policies at random.
I focused on the second paragraph because that was the comment you made
that I want to respond to, namely that a sizeable chunk of problems with
pip is that pip isn't installed. To reiterate, I don't believe that is
the case, based on what I see on the python-list mailing list. Judging
by the comments in the "packaging" subthread, this may have hit a chord
with at least some others.
> Are you sincerely arguing that no children out there will have Python
> 3.5, 3.3, or 2.7,
No.
> or that for all such student upgrading to 3.6 will
> be easier and face fewer permissions problems than using pip?
For "all" of them? Probably not.
> If not,
> then how does this answer my point that some people will want this on
> PyPI even if it's in the 3.6 stdlib?
I didn't respond to that point. If you want me to respond, I'll say that
I consider it unlikely that putting it on PyPI will be of much practical
utility, given the user-base for turtle, but if people want to do both,
it's not likely to do much harm either.
--
Steve
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