[Python-ideas] from __pip__ import

[אלעזר]

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:34 AM Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull
> <turnbull.stephen.fw at u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
> > אלעזר writes:
> >
> >  > Another use case, though I admit not the top priority of anyone here,
> is
> >  > that of assignment checkers. In most courses I took at the
> university, the
> >  > person who checks the assignments says something like "you are
> allowed to
> >  > use only this this and this libraries", in order not to mess with
> unknown
> >  > dependencies from tens of students (I am talking about advanced
> courses,
> >  > where the method I use to solve the problem is unimportant or only
> requires
> >  > explanation). With this statement they can simply state "you can
> import
> >  > pip".
> It's more than that, though. When a student is given an assignment,
> it's usually to help said student to learn to *write code*, not to
> learn how to walk into the plumbing store of PyPI and look for
> something that approximates to the job being done. Maybe it's
> different at university, but with my students, it's always been "no
> external libraries" (and in some cases, a common-sense avoidance of
> obvious solutions from the standard library - if you teach someone how
> to implement a sort and the response is simply "lst.sort()", it's not
> exactly implementing anything). So the use-case for this isn't nearly
> as big as it might be. By the time you get to writing large
> applications (again, taking it from my students' work: a Flask-based
> web app), it's not illogical to have a requirements.txt and standard
> pip incantations.
>
> ChrisA
>

I was talking specifically about advanced courses, in which an assignment
is "implement a side-channel attack using data" and you can use whatever
library you like.

Elazar
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