[Python-ideas] Repr of lambda

Brett Cannon brett at python.org
Wed Dec 20 22:43:22 EST 2017

I'm in the middle of moving, so I'm not planning to take this any farther
than this email unless someone explicitly brings up an issue by emailing
Python-ideas-owner where Titus can help anyone out.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017, 16:11 Steven D'Aprano, <steve at pearwood.info> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 03:55:01PM -0500, Franklin? Lee wrote:
> > Wow, that's way too aggressive for this list.

I personally disagree as I didn't read anything from Steven as aggressive
in his response. I think a better response would have been, "I don't think
you mean for what you said to be portrayed as aggressive, but I read
<blank> as if you were saying <blank>". Otherwise to me it comes off as
dealing with aggression with aggression.

> Hair-trigger sensitivity to "aggressiveness" is itself a form of
> aggression, because it leads to unfair accusations of aggressiveness
> and other over-reactions, and forces people to "walk on eggshells"
> rather than say what they are actually thinking.

I also disagree with this. 😄 Any form of aggression isn't really necessary
to appropriately communicate an idea or viewpoint, so taking some time to
consider how you phrase something so it doesn't come off as aggressive to
people in general is a good thing. Given a choice between allowing
occasional aggression so that some don't feel they have to be careful in
their phrasing "just in case" compared to people having to take extra time
in their response to avoid aggression, I always go with the latter. For me,
any extra effort to be courteous is worth it.

> Remember that tone of voice doesn't communicate well across email. You
> should always read email and give the writer the benefit of the doubt:
> "if I were face to face with this person, and could see relaxed posture
> and a smile, or hear a friendly tone of voice, would I still think this
> was aggressive?"

This I do agree with. Give people the benefit of the doubt, and if you want
you can kindly inform the person how you could have interpreted what they
said as aggressive and why you thought that. This gives people a chance to
explain what they actually meant and for people to potentially apologize
for the misunderstanding.


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