[Python-ideas] Looking for input to help with the pip situation

Todd toddrjen at gmail.com
Tue Nov 14 09:58:40 EST 2017

On Nov 14, 2017 02:39, "Chris Angelico" <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Michel Desmoulin
<desmoulinmichel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Proposal B:
> ------------
> Make pip and venv part of the standard and request debian that they
> provide it.
> Pros: straight forward.
> Cons: holy war in the making.

Cons: What does "full" really mean? Does it require a GUI subsystem,
for instance (as a dep of tkinter)? Might just shift the problem.

The solution a lot of other Linux distributions use is to have a
"python(2|3)-base" package that pulls in just the minimal runtime
environment and have the regular "python(2|3)" package gives the full
upstream python install.  Things like tk bindings and pip tend to be
separate packages the normal install depends on.

"Minimal", if I understand it correctly, is the python(2|3) executable and
any module not needing external dependencies, and "full" is everything
upstream provides.
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