[Python-ideas] Debugging: some problems and possible solutions

Anders Hovmöller boxed at killingar.net
Wed Oct 3 17:44:53 EDT 2018

>> Imagine if I said something other totally irrelevant and that is bigger change indeed. But I didn't. I suggested not a change of CPython or PyPy or IronPython but a few sentences in a PEP. I also didn't suggest that it be snuck into the same PEP as my proposed syntax changes. I agree that would be bad. It should obviously be a separate PEP.
> I'm not sure what you're calling irrelevant here. But sure. If you
> want to propose that, propose it. Start a new thread in which you
> propose that, as a language feature, kwargs are allowed to be invalid
> variable names.

But wouldn't it make sense to have a motivating example? Like the one we're discussing? Not just suggest it out of the blue?

> You're proposing a change to the language specification,
> and that's not something to just gloss over.

Many people are suggesting language spec changes in this thread and quite a few others. This is the forum for it. 

> When PEP 572 started proposing changes to other semantics than just
> assignment expressions, there was a lot of pushback because that was
> seen as an independent proposal (even though it was fairly tightly
> bound to the assignment expressions themselves, in that it'd be
> extremely hard to observe the difference else). What you're proposing
> here is, similarly, a completely independent proposal, and not all
> that tightly bound.

Sure. But I'm only proposing it in the "what if?" way. It's a discussion to see what other solutions exists for the problem that the thread started discussing. A

You and me keep derailing. It's quite depressing. I don't want to be in a constant shouting game with you. I want to discuss ideas. 

/ Anders

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