[Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

Jacco van Dorp j.van.dorp at deonet.nl
Thu Sep 13 05:05:53 EDT 2018

-1. The concept of ugly code is everywhere on the internet. Everyone on
this planet has either written ugly code or no code at all. Some have also
written beautiful code.

People aren't code, and code isn't people. I can't see this becoming a
problem until we have an AI that can feel insulted because someone tells it
it's code looks ugly, and that's waaaaay off. Don't conflate code with
people, please.

At the risk of politicizing (which you also took), I'd like to add that
diversity and inclusivity of thought is more important than that of
whatever arbitrary beauty standard.

The Zen is clear and not about people. Don't try to make it to be so.

Op do 13 sep. 2018 om 10:38 schreef Samantha Quan <sammiequan at yandex.com>:

> First, I'd like to express how grateful I am to see more and more
> technical communities embrace diversity and inclusivity, particularly big
> tech communities like Python, Redis, and Django.
> In the spirit of the big recent terminology change, I propose retiring or
> rewording the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause for perpetuating
> beauty bias and containing lookist slur. I realize that Zen is old, but you
> can't argue that the word "ugly" is harmless, now that society condemns
> body shaming, and instead promotes body acceptance and self-love. One
> alternative to that clause I could think of is "Clean is better than
> dirty", but please do speak up if you have better ideas.
> I ask you to give this change serious consideration, even if it seems
> over-the-top to you now, because times change, and this will be of great
> help in the battle for the more tolerant and less judgemental society.
> I understand that this topic may seem controversial to some, so please be
> open-minded and take extra care to respect the PSF Code Of Conduct when
> replying.
> Thank you!
>   - Sam
> Some references:
> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lookism
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lookism
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