[Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

João Santos jmcs at jsantos.eu
Thu Sep 13 09:15:27 EDT 2018

That's why I focused on pairs. I understand why some people might feel
offended by the term slave (and master in opposition to it), despite
personally feeling the concepts are detached. I never saw anyone oppose
using the terms master/copy.
Trying to tie something as abstract and general as ugly/beautiful to body
shaming is a considerably bigger stretch.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 at 14:22, Chris Angelico <rosuav at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 10:16 PM, João Santos <jmcs at jsantos.eu> wrote:
> > One important difference between master/slave and beautiful/ugly is that
> the
> > first pair are concrete concepts that typically applies to people, and
> the
> > second are abstract concepts that always applied also to objects and
> > abstract concepts.
> You may or may not be right about "slave", but "master" is frequently
> applied to objects - the document from which other copies are taken,
> the template from which a cast is formed, etc. Even when applied to
> people, it doesn't have to be paired with slavery - a "master" of a
> skill is, well, someone who has mastered it. Excising the word master
> from all documentation is likely impossible, and pointless.
> And yes, I'm probably going to be slaughtered for saying this. But I
> grew up around photocopiers, so to me, the "master" was the good
> quality print-out that we stuck into the top of the copier, as opposed
> to the "copies" that came out the front of it. Not everyone assumes
> the worst about words.
> ChrisA
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