[Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

Jacco van Dorp j.van.dorp at deonet.nl
Mon Sep 17 03:16:48 EDT 2018

Op zo 16 sep. 2018 om 05:40 schreef Franklin? Lee <
leewangzhong+python at gmail.com>:

> I am very disappointed with the responses to this thread. We have
> mockery, dismissiveness, and even insinuations about OP's
> psychological health. Whether or not OP is a troll, and whether or not
> OP's idea has merit, that kind of response is unnecessary and
> unhelpful.

Sure, I'll take your bait.

> Jacco:
> - This is completely disrespectful and way over the line. Don't try to
> make a psychological evaluation from two emails, especially when it's
> just someone having an idea you don't like.
>     """However, if merely the word ugly being on a page can be
> "harmful", what you really need is professional help, not a change to
> Python. Because there's obviously been some things in your past you
> need to work through."""

Is it, though ? Even more because in order for it to apply to any one
person's aesthetics, you need to pull it out of context first. You need to
be looking for it. Being triggered by a word this simple is not exactly a
sign of mental stability. I know a girl who's been raped more than she can
count - but the word doesn't trigger her like this(only makes her want to
beat up rapists). If people can do that, then surely a playground insult
wont reduce you to tears, right ?

> - Mockery.
>     """If we have to ban "Ugly" for american sensitivities, then
> perhaps we need to ban a number of others for china's sensitivities.
> Where will it end ?"""

Well, on the internet, the word "nigger" is already basically banned for
american sensibilities, while the version in dutch, my language, is
"neger", which doesn't really have any racist connotation, probably because
the amount of slaves that have ever been in what's currently the
netherlands, has been negligible. However, it's use is effectively banned
because some other culture considers it offensive to use. Why should your
culture be my censorship ? And it's no coincidence I used china there -
it's notorious for it's censorship. If merely labeling a word as
"offensive" is sufficient to ban it, I daresay they'd mark a whole lot more
words as offensive. And why would their opinion be any less valid than
yours ?

Don't think you're special - you're not. If you want to give yourself the
power to ban words for offensive, you're giving that same power to
everyone. And since offensive is subjective, it means anybody could ban any
word, since you couldn't tell the difference between real or fake offense.

Therefore, it is a disastrous idea and I'll predict the end of Python if we
go down that route.
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