[Python-ideas] Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause

Jacco van Dorp j.van.dorp at deonet.nl
Mon Sep 17 10:49:30 EDT 2018

Op ma 17 sep. 2018 om 16:40 schreef Wes Turner <wes.turner at gmail.com>:

> I think it's meant to be ironic?
> Why would that be the first sentence of a poem about software and the
> Python newsgroup/mailing list community?
> A certain percentage of people might be offended by changing the first
> line (the frame of) of said poem; to "I'm better than you".
> Dominance and arrogance are upsetting to a certain percentage, so that
> shouldn't occur. (Though arrogance tends to be the norm in many open source
> communities which are necessarily discerning and selective; in order to
> avoid amateurish mediocrity).
> So, in a way, "Beautiful is better than ugly" was the CoC in the Python
> community for many years; so, now that the CoC is in place, the best thing
> to do may be to just remove the Zen of Python entirely; rather than
> dominate the authors' sarcastic poem until it's devoid of its intentional
> tone.
I always considered the Zen to be about code only. I don't think I ever
read the CoC, and just assumed "at least pretend to be a decent person". I
don't think the CoC has anything to do with your code, right ?
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