[Python-ideas] Clearer communication

[Abe Dillon]

[David Mertz]

> I have absolutely no interest in any system that arranges comments in
> anything but related thread and chronological order. I DO NOT want any
> rating or evaluation of comments of any kind other than my own evaluation
> based on reading them. Well, also in reading the informed opinions of other
> readers.



I would find it useless if not actively counterproductive to follow any
> system where such ratings of comments existed.


Then just sort by chronological order.

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:19 PM David Mertz <mertz at gnosis.cx> wrote:

> I have absolutely no interest in any system that arranges comments in
> anything but related thread and chronological order. I DO NOT want any
> rating or evaluation of comments of any kind other than my own evaluation
> based on reading them. Well, also in reading the informed opinions of other
> readers.
>
> I would find it useless if not actively counterproductive to follow any
> system where such ratings of comments existed.
>
> There is one property that every system invented to supercede email have
> in common. They are all dramatically worse in almost every way.
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 5:09 PM Abe Dillon <abedillon at gmail.com wrote:
>
>>  [Dan Sommers]
>>
>>> Another point in favor of email clients over web pages is
>>> that there are many of them, and *you* control the display
>>> and other preferences rather than whoever wrote the forum
>>> or owns the server.
>>
>>
>> There is a tool called the Reddit Enhancement Suite or RES (and probably
>> others)
>> That lets you control a great deal of the display and other preferences,
>> however; I'm not
>> sure how that control compares to something like Thunderbird.
>>
>> One thing that's nice about Reddit is you can link to posts, so if you've
>> already discussed something at length in another thread,
>> you can simply refer to that discussion.
>>
>>  [Dan Sommers]
>>
>>> In an optimal technical discussion, opinions from users
>>> don't count for anything.  The ideas stand on their own
>>> merits and research and metrics; users only serve to
>>> confirm the methodology.
>>
>>
>> A lot can be said about how an ideal world would work. Ideally, we could
>> define the meaning of life and good and evil and we wouldn't need this
>> clumsy system of laws and courts to approximate the whole mess.
>>
>> I don't think it's that crazy to think that a voting system might
>> approximate merit a little better than the timestamp on a post.
>> It's not going to be perfect, but perfect shouldn't be the enemy of
>> better.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 3:17 PM Dan Sommers <
>> 2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE at potatochowder.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/1/19 2:58 PM, Abe Dillon wrote:
>>> > [Dan Sommers]
>>> >
>>> >> A mailing list is not a feed... Dan, a decades and decades long fan of
>>> >> mailing lists and real email clients.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I'm only familiar with Gmail which keeps reply chains coherent and
>>> moves
>>> > each chain to the top of my "forums" tab based on who responded last.
>>> > I haven't explored the various email clients available, can you
>>> suggest one?
>>>
>>> I used mutt for a long time, and then claws-mail, and now
>>> thunderbird.  They all met my needs, although I did give
>>> up on claws-mail when I got a hidpi display (claws-mail
>>> based on gtk2, which doesn't grok hidpi displays).
>>>
>>> Another point in favor of email clients over web pages is
>>> that there are many of them, and *you* control the display
>>> and other preferences rather than whoever wrote the forum
>>> or owns the server.
>>>
>>> > [Dan Sommers]
>>> >
>>> >> Whoever posted last ends up at the bottom of the thread, so that I can
>>> >> read threads from top to bottom in chronological order.  Getting the
>>> >> last word in shouldn't earn a spot at the top of the list.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > That doesn't like any closer an approximation to a merit-based
>>> solution to
>>> > me.
>>> Perhaps not all by itself.  Many/most email clients allow
>>> individual users to "score" emails by various criteria, and
>>> then to display higher scoring messages "above" the others,
>>> or not display certain messages at all.  Personally, I don't
>>> use the automated systems, but they're very comprehensive
>>> (arguably too complicated), and again, *user* adjustable.
>>>
>>> In an optimal technical discussion, opinions from users
>>> don't count for anything.  The ideas stand on their own
>>> merits and research and metrics; users only serve to
>>> confirm the methodology.
>>>
>>> Dan
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